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Avenue Q creator has had enough of Leno's gay jokes. Thank you, Jeff Whitty.
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p***@quentincrisp.com
2006-04-24 14:36:55 UTC
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Well, it's about freakin' time somebody had the guts to say something.
Thank you, Jeff Whitty, for a fantastic letter. This is the headline
story in today's Advocate (http://www.advocate.com).

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Avenue Q creator has had enough of Leno's gay jokes

Jeff Whitty, the gay author of the hit Broadway play Avenue Q, grew
tired of hearing Jay Leno's tired gay jokes. So he decided to let the
host of NBC's Tonight Show know exactly why those jokes are in poor
taste. What follows is a letter he sent to Leno this past week:

Dear Mr. Leno,

My name is Jeff Whitty. I live in New York City. I'm a playwright and
the author of Avenue Q, which is a musical currently running on
Broadway. I've been watching your show a bit, and I'd like to make an
observation:

When you think of gay people, it's funny. They're funny folks. They
wear leather. They like Judy Garland. They like disco music. They're
sort of like Stepin Fetchit as channeled by Richard Simmons.

Gay people, to you, are great material.

Mr. Leno, let me share with you my view of gay people:

When I think of gay people, I think of the gay news anchor who took a
tire iron to the head several times when he was vacationing in St.
Martin. I think of my friend who was visiting Hamburger Mary's, a gay
restaurant in Las Vegas, when a bigot threw a smoke bomb filled with
toxic chemicals into the restaurant, leaving the staff and gay
clientele coughing, puking, and running in terror. I think of visiting
my gay friends at their house in the country, sitting outside for
dinner, and hearing, within hundreds of feet of where we sat, taunting
voices yelling "Faggots!" I think of hugging my boyfriend goodbye for
the day on 8th Avenue in Manhattan and being mocked and taunted by
passing high school students.

When I think of gay people, I think of suicide. I think of a countless
list of people who took their own lives because the world was so
toxically hostile to them. Because of the deathly climate of the
closet, we will never be able to count them. You think gay people are
great material. I think of a silent holocaust that continues to this
day. I think of a silent holocaust that is perpetuated by people like
you, who seek to minimize us and make fun of us and who I suspect
really, fundamentally wish we would just go away.

When I think of gay people, I think of a brave group that has made
tremendous contributions to society, in arts, letters, science,
philosophy, and politics. I think of some of the most hilarious people
I know. I think of a group that has served as a cultural guardian for
an ungrateful and ignorant America.

I think of a group of people who have undergone a brave act of
inventing themselves. Every single out-of-the-closet gay person has
had to say, "I am not part of mainstream society." Mr. Leno, that
takes bigger balls than stepping out in front of TV-watching America
every night. I daresay I suspect it takes bigger balls to come out of
the closet than anything you have ever done in your life.

I know you know gay people, Mr. Leno. Are they just jokes to you, to
be snickered at behind their backs? Despite the angry tenor of my
letter, I suspect you're a better man than that. I don't bother
writing letters to the "God Hates Fags" people, or Donald Wildmon, or
the pope. But I think you can do better. I know it's The Tonight
Show, not a White House press conference, but you reach a lot of
people.

I caught your show when you had a tired mockery of Brokeback Mountain,
involving something about a horse done up in what you consider a "gay"
way. Man, that's dated. I turned the television off and felt pretty
fucking depressed. And now I understand your gay-baiting jokes have
continued.

Mr. Leno, I have a sense of humor. It's my livelihood. And being gay
has many hilarious aspects to it-none of which, I suspect, you
understand. I'm tired of people like you. When I think of gay people,
I think of centuries of suffering. I think of really, really good
people who've been gravely mistreated for a long time now.

You've got to cut it out, Jay.

Sincerely,

Jeff Whitty
New York, N.Y.
Solitary Sunshine
2006-04-24 15:45:58 UTC
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Post by p***@quentincrisp.com
When I think of gay people,
I think of centuries of suffering. I think of really, really good
people who've been gravely mistreated for a long time now.
When I think of gay people, I think of crybabies like Jeff Whitty, who
haven't got the courage to really live by the creed they profess which
is to live their lives with dignity regardless of what people say about
them. Sorry, but a lot of gays just cry and whine about "not being
accepted", and frankly, *they* need to cut it out. It's not that I
think gay people deserve what they get. They don't. I don't do the
things that Whitty described in his letter. I feel no need to treat
people that way. But it's hard for me to respect gays 100% when they
throw themselves a pity party on a regular basis and act like they
don't know WHY people are STILL not comfortable with same-gender
relationships. Not all of society is comfortable with "the gay
lifestyle" in their faces. Why do gays pretend to not know why? It's
like they expect to snap their fingers and suddenly--magically!!--the
whole world will embrace their lifestyle. Well, life isn't like that.
Gays should show respect, to get respect.
Paul Raposo
2006-04-24 21:58:35 UTC
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Post by Solitary Sunshine
Post by p***@quentincrisp.com
When I think of gay people,
I think of centuries of suffering. I think of really, really good
people who've been gravely mistreated for a long time now.
When I think of gay people, I think of crybabies like Jeff Whitty,
When I think of straight people, I think of people like Solitary Sunshine,
who don't like having their apathy thrown in their faces, so they lash out
at gay people who point out bigotry, rather than call out people like Jay
Leno for his anti-gay remarks.
Post by Solitary Sunshine
who
haven't got the courage to really live by the creed they profess which
is to live their lives with dignity regardless of what people say about
them.
Who really don't live by the creed, "Live and let live." But rather,
expect the GLBT community to act as they want them to, whether as a
stereotype, or a closet case.
Post by Solitary Sunshine
Sorry, but a lot of gays just cry and whine about "not being
accepted",
Sorry, but a lot of straights just cry and whine about being shown their
arrogance and detachment in regards to how the GLBT community is treated by
the mainstream media.
Post by Solitary Sunshine
and frankly, *they* need to cut it out.
And frankly, *they* need to cut it out.
Post by Solitary Sunshine
It's not that I
think gay people deserve what they get.
It's not that they think they should do anything, when gay people get what
they get.
Post by Solitary Sunshine
They don't.
They don't.
Post by Solitary Sunshine
I don't do the
things that Whitty described in his letter.
They don't do the things Whitty described in the letter, but they condone
them when done by others.
Post by Solitary Sunshine
I feel no need to treat
people that way.
They feel no need to treat people with the respect that they believe they
deserve.
Post by Solitary Sunshine
But it's hard for me to respect gays 100% when they
throw themselves a pity party
But it's hard for them to respect the GLBT community, when we point out
their coldness towards the fact that the majority of the straight
population treats us as political fodder, walking ATM machines, easy votes,
or enemies.
Post by Solitary Sunshine
on a regular basis and act like they
don't know WHY people are STILL not comfortable with same-gender
relationships.
And act like they don't know why they hate our relationships and refuse to
accept us as human equals, but rather less than heterosexuals, simply
because they don't like, or our relationships.
Post by Solitary Sunshine
Not all of society is comfortable with "the gay
lifestyle" in their faces.
Not all of society is comfortable not having a group of people to vilify,
torment, berate, gay bash and generally mistreat.
Post by Solitary Sunshine
Why do gays pretend to not know why?
Why do straights pretend to care?
Post by Solitary Sunshine
It's
like they expect to snap their fingers and suddenly--magically!!--the
whole world will embrace their lifestyle.
It's like they expect to snap their fingers and
suddenly--magically!!--we'll disappear from the world.
Post by Solitary Sunshine
Well, life isn't like that.
Well, they won't let our lives be like that.
Post by Solitary Sunshine
Gays should show respect, to get respect.
Gays should know our second tier place in their straight society and sit
down and shut up.
jeremyfive
2006-04-24 18:11:50 UTC
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You got it. When I think of gay people, I think of. . .

Mark Bingham, who became America's first openly gay hero, when the
burly soccer player and his fellow passengers on United Flight 93
thwarted the hijacking of their plane (and prevented its misuse as a
potential lethal missle) by confronting the armed terrorists directly
and face-to-face--though it cost him his life.

When I think of Jay Leno, I think of a very pathetic man who needs to
put some group down to gain that "old-boy" recognition he needs to fill
the vacuum where humor should be.

J
jeremyfive
2006-04-27 18:16:38 UTC
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Just wanted to add a further note re my e-mail above,

Mark Bingham was not "America's first openly gay hero" -- there have
been many gay American heroes now in all our wars and disasters and
conflicts.

We owe a debt of gratitude to gay men and women who have defended the
interests of this nation with their lives. Instead, we waste million
of dollars to insult them with the shabby and spiteful "don't ask,
don't tell" policy. We throw away millions of dollars and the
much-needed, indeed essential, skills of highly qualified and trained
experts just so some bigot in Washington can exert a little power,
having found someone else to hate.

"Don't ask, don't tell?" - It's not the victims of this unfair policy
that have disgraced the uniform--it's the intolerant bigots.

J
David Johnston
2006-04-27 20:11:22 UTC
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On 27 Apr 2006 11:16:38 -0700, "jeremyfive"
Post by jeremyfive
Just wanted to add a further note re my e-mail above,
Mark Bingham was not "America's first openly gay hero" -- there have
been many gay American heroes now in all our wars and disasters and
conflicts.
Openly?
jeremyfive
2006-04-27 20:34:24 UTC
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Sure, I knew lots of openly gay heroes from 'Nam, Desert Storm, etc.
It kinda depends upon what you call "openly".

It was only since Clinton had the guts to become the first president to
engage the gay community in some long-overdue dialogue, that the rotten
"don't ask, don't tell" policy was negotiated--a nasty compromise which
gave the bigots something they wanted while seeming to give gay folks
something, too. Problem is, it's still highly unfair and
discriminatory, and indeed devastating to the lives of some of the
victoms of these "witch hunts". Prior to that time, there had been
lots of service people who were gay and largely open about this
sexuality--before the "witch hunts" began.

The military has always been two-faced on the gay issue. We've even
seen incidents where they've tried to hide thieir incompetence in some
crisis by framing gay servicemen. This is all-too-familiar.

Meanwhile, in most Western developed nations, gay service people are
able to defend their nation proudly, openly and without fear.

But then, we live in Bush-shit times when the corrupt right-wing
believes that they can "scare America" by conjuring up boogey-man
non-issues like the need to "protect marriage". This works well in
dividing the red states from the blue states, and the reasoning
Americans from the hysterical kind. (It also works well to divide true
people of faith--from people who claim faith as a reason to shield
their personal bigotry.)

Those who have priviledges never like to share. But why, for instance,
should an elderly gay couple who are devoted to one another for 50+
years have less legal rights--as a couple, in matters of property and
even hospital visitation-- than two drunk teenagers who seal their
heterosexual deal in a Las Vegas chapel on a weekend spree? But then,
"Dubya" has always had great empathy for drunks.

J
o***@aol.com
2006-04-27 17:42:43 UTC
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I get that you can't stand Leno's dominance over Letterman, but try to
keep the hysterical shrieking to a minimum.
Post by p***@quentincrisp.com
Well, it's about freakin' time somebody had the guts to say something.
Thank you, Jeff Whitty, for a fantastic letter. This is the headline
story in today's Advocate (http://www.advocate.com).
---------------------
Avenue Q creator has had enough of Leno's gay jokes
Jeff Whitty, the gay author of the hit Broadway play Avenue Q, grew
tired of hearing Jay Leno's tired gay jokes. So he decided to let the
host of NBC's Tonight Show know exactly why those jokes are in poor
Dear Mr. Leno,
My name is Jeff Whitty. I live in New York City. I'm a playwright and
the author of Avenue Q, which is a musical currently running on
Broadway. I've been watching your show a bit, and I'd like to make an
When you think of gay people, it's funny. They're funny folks. They
wear leather. They like Judy Garland. They like disco music. They're
sort of like Stepin Fetchit as channeled by Richard Simmons.
Gay people, to you, are great material.
When I think of gay people, I think of the gay news anchor who took a
tire iron to the head several times when he was vacationing in St.
Martin. I think of my friend who was visiting Hamburger Mary's, a gay
restaurant in Las Vegas, when a bigot threw a smoke bomb filled with
toxic chemicals into the restaurant, leaving the staff and gay
clientele coughing, puking, and running in terror. I think of visiting
my gay friends at their house in the country, sitting outside for
dinner, and hearing, within hundreds of feet of where we sat, taunting
voices yelling "Faggots!" I think of hugging my boyfriend goodbye for
the day on 8th Avenue in Manhattan and being mocked and taunted by
passing high school students.
When I think of gay people, I think of suicide. I think of a countless
list of people who took their own lives because the world was so
toxically hostile to them. Because of the deathly climate of the
closet, we will never be able to count them. You think gay people are
great material. I think of a silent holocaust that continues to this
day. I think of a silent holocaust that is perpetuated by people like
you, who seek to minimize us and make fun of us and who I suspect
really, fundamentally wish we would just go away.
When I think of gay people, I think of a brave group that has made
tremendous contributions to society, in arts, letters, science,
philosophy, and politics. I think of some of the most hilarious people
I know. I think of a group that has served as a cultural guardian for
an ungrateful and ignorant America.
I think of a group of people who have undergone a brave act of
inventing themselves. Every single out-of-the-closet gay person has
had to say, "I am not part of mainstream society." Mr. Leno, that
takes bigger balls than stepping out in front of TV-watching America
every night. I daresay I suspect it takes bigger balls to come out of
the closet than anything you have ever done in your life.
I know you know gay people, Mr. Leno. Are they just jokes to you, to
be snickered at behind their backs? Despite the angry tenor of my
letter, I suspect you're a better man than that. I don't bother
writing letters to the "God Hates Fags" people, or Donald Wildmon, or
the pope. But I think you can do better. I know it's The Tonight
Show, not a White House press conference, but you reach a lot of
people.
I caught your show when you had a tired mockery of Brokeback Mountain,
involving something about a horse done up in what you consider a "gay"
way. Man, that's dated. I turned the television off and felt pretty
fucking depressed. And now I understand your gay-baiting jokes have
continued.
Mr. Leno, I have a sense of humor. It's my livelihood. And being gay
has many hilarious aspects to it-none of which, I suspect, you
understand. I'm tired of people like you. When I think of gay people,
I think of centuries of suffering. I think of really, really good
people who've been gravely mistreated for a long time now.
You've got to cut it out, Jay.
Sincerely,
Jeff Whitty
New York, N.Y.
Padre
2006-04-27 20:21:37 UTC
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Do you know the ultimate way to prove to Jay or any other talk show
host that you aren't happy with or their comments?? Change the god
damned channel!!! No one is forcing you at gunpoint to turn on The
Tonight Show and watch it. No one is forcing you to listen to his
JOKES, oh I'm sorry, he hate-filled gay bashing commentary. Let's not
talk about the fact that he jokes about blacks, whites, latinos,
Democrats, Republicans, basically everybody - no, it's only the gays
that he's make fun of.

Get a life and get a remote control if you can't deal with it.
p***@quentincrisp.com
2006-04-28 16:53:10 UTC
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Let's not talk about the fact that he jokes about blacks, whites, latinos,
Democrats, Republicans, basically everybody - no, it's only the gays
that he's make fun of.
Okay, Padre -- I'll add you to the list of folks who's made that claim.
(See thread titled "Challenge to Jay Leno defenders.")

Now, back it up. Quote a joke Leno has made that denigrates or
stereotypes blacks or latinos.

Since there aren't any, I'm adding you to the list of blowhards as we
speak.

Sanders Kaufman
2006-04-28 06:19:02 UTC
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I'll bet he thinks about sucking dick and taking showers with NBA players.
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