Jay Leno's homophobia.

[p***@quentincrisp.com]

Well, Jay has done it again. This time there's no limp wrists or
sniggering about "Brokeback Mountain." This time, according to Mr.
Leno, we gay men all have Truman Capote voices and cry when we think
about Judy Garland.

To add salt to the wound, the man continues to play the sensitivity
card. In the past two months he's apologized to a friend of Dick
Cheney's shooting victim, and to the great-grandson of a doctor who
treated John Wilkes Booth.

"It's not unusual for Leno to make such calls," an NBC spokeswoman
maintains.

And then he goes on TV and lisps his way through another San Francisco
joke.

Let The Tonight Show and Jay Leno know these attacks are unacceptable.
Please, if just twenty or thirty of us write in it could make a
difference. Rewrite my letter or write your own, and send to:

***@nbc.com
***@nbc.com (Robert Wright is the president of NBC)

Thanks!

------------

I'm astonished by the continued assault on gays by Jay Leno. On
Tuesday he stated that if gay history were taught in high school,
students would learn that the Great Depression was when Judy Garland
died.

And then last night Kiefer Sutherland demonstrated different speech
patterns he uses on "24." When he spoke in a high, soft voice, Mr.
Leno announced, "That's GAY Jack!"

As a gay man, I am fed up with these attacks. Mr. Leno obviously knows
it's wrong, as he would NEVER denigrate blacks, Hispanics, Jews, or
Christians in this manner. Why does he consider gays open territory,
and when will NBC decide to stop him? It's the height of hypocrisy to
send out press releases describing his warmth and generosity while he's
attacking homosexuals twice a week.

Please let Mr. Leno know that his attacks are vicious and harmful, and
that some of his viewers are astonished that he'd repeatedly use his
homophobia as a basis for humor.

[Nancy2]

Post by p***@quentincrisp.com
Well, Jay has done it again. This time there's no limp wrists or
sniggering about "Brokeback Mountain." This time, according to Mr.
Leno, we gay men all have Truman Capote voices and cry when we think
about Judy Garland.
Please let Mr. Leno know that his attacks are vicious and harmful, and
that some of his viewers are astonished that he'd repeatedly use his
homophobia as a basis for humor.

I think that I have absolutely no use and no time for the thought
police. Let Jay say what he likes; it's a free country. He's not
telling everyone else to think like he does. What's vicious about it?
What's harmful about it? Did you suffer some personal tragedy because
of Leno's remarks?

N.

[p***@quentincrisp.com]

What's vicious about it? What's harmful about it? �Did you
suffer some personal tragedy because of Leno's remarks?

I should have closed with something like this: "All you straight white
people who have never been the target of discrimination and don't 'get'
it, shut the fuck up."

I'm really startled how stupid straight white folks are. "Lighten up!'
they say. "What's the harm?" You try sitting down to watch TV and
seeing Mr. Leno portray your ethnic group as lisping little queens.

Re-read my email: "Mr. Leno obviously knows it's wrong, as he would
NEVER denigrate blacks, Hispanics, Jews, or Christians in this manner."
Now, answer a question for me: why doesn't he joke about blacks and
watermelon? Why no jokes about how cheap Jews are, or how Mexicans are
lazy?

I've said it before and I'll say it again: if you haven't experienced
discrimination and refuse to "get" it, just sit there, smile and stay
stupid. Don't make it worse for those of us who have to live with it
with the inane little questions from your Silly Putty brains.

[Zeb Quinn]

Post by p***@quentincrisp.com
Well, Jay has done it again. This time there's no limp wrists or
sniggering about "Brokeback Mountain." This time, according to Mr.
Leno, we gay men all have Truman Capote voices and cry when we think
about Judy Garland.

Clearly whatever biological error it is that accounts for queers being
queer also predisposes them to have limp wrists, be hair dressers, and
talk with cute little lisps. How can you deny reality?

[p***@quentincrisp.com]

Post by Zeb Quinn
Clearly whatever biological error it is that accounts for queers being
queer also predisposes them to have limp wrists, be hair dressers, and
talk with cute little lisps. �How can you deny reality?

And here we have a typical member of the crowd Mr. Leno is playing to.

Some blacks love watermelon. Some Mexicans are lazy. Some Jews are
cheap. The double standard is clear when you realize he'd never joke
about these people in a million years.

The idiot Nancy2 talks about "thought police." Yes, it's awful that
they've curtailed our freedom of speech, and now we can only joke about
fags.

[Zeb Quinn]

Post by p***@quentincrisp.com

Post by Zeb Quinn
Clearly whatever biological error it is that accounts for queers being
queer also predisposes them to have limp wrists, be hair dressers, and
talk with cute little lisps. ?How can you deny reality?

And here we have a typical member of the crowd Mr. Leno is playing to.
Some blacks love watermelon. Some Mexicans are lazy. Some Jews are
cheap. The double standard is clear when you realize he'd never joke
about these people in a million years.

Nah. Those are *ethnic* sterotypes. Fruits are fruits. Not the same
thing at all. Don't the finooks *ever* get tired of shamelessly trying
to piggyback on the civil rights movement? They are not the same.

[Paul Raposo]

Post by Zeb Quinn

Post by p***@quentincrisp.com

Post by Zeb Quinn
Clearly whatever biological error it is that accounts for queers being
queer also predisposes them to have limp wrists, be hair dressers, and
talk with cute little lisps. ?How can you deny reality?

And here we have a typical member of the crowd Mr. Leno is playing to.
Some blacks love watermelon. Some Mexicans are lazy. Some Jews are
cheap. The double standard is clear when you realize he'd never joke
about these people in a million years.

Nah. Those are *ethnic* sterotypes.

And?

Post by Zeb Quinn
Fruits are fruits. Not the same
thing at all.

How so, asswipe?

Post by Zeb Quinn
Don't the finooks *ever* get tired of shamelessly trying
to piggyback on the civil rights movement?

The civil rights movement doesn't mind.

Post by Zeb Quinn
They are not the same.

Very much the same, you dumb cunt.

[Zeb Quinn]

Post by Paul Raposo

Post by Zeb Quinn
Fruits are fruits. Not the same
thing at all.

How so, asswipe?

If you don't already know the difference between an immutable physical
trait like race or ethnicity and a voluntary and behaviorally-based
lifestyle, then there's not much hope for you. You're a fruit AND a
window-licker.

Post by Paul Raposo
The civil rights movement doesn't mind.

Post by Zeb Quinn
They are not the same.

They do in fact vehemently object and take offense at the fruits trying
to hijack and misappropriate their legitimate efforts and cause.
Another thing that the window-licker part of you missed and is
otherwise oblivious to.

Post by Paul Raposo
Very much the same, you dumb cunt.

[Paul Raposo]

Post by Zeb Quinn

Post by Paul Raposo

Post by Zeb Quinn
Fruits are fruits. Not the same
thing at all.

How so, asswipe?

If you don't already know the difference between an immutable physical
trait like race or ethnicity

Since race, ethnicity and sexuality are all innate and not a choice, then
I'm still not sure what you mean, cunt.

Post by Zeb Quinn
and a voluntary and behaviorally-based
lifestyle,

Lifestyle? How is homosexuality a behavior, if a person knows they are
homosexual, without any sexual experience? And how would a person know
they are a different race, or ethnicity, unless they are told?

Post by Zeb Quinn
then there's not much hope for you.

More so than you, ya puke.

Post by Zeb Quinn
You're a fruit

You've given me a lot of though 'eh, asshole?

Post by Zeb Quinn
AND a
window-licker.

And how much time did you spend on your small yellow bus? Perhaps your
problem is, your helmet is too tight. Loosen it up and live a little!

Post by Zeb Quinn

Post by Paul Raposo
The civil rights movement doesn't mind.

Post by Zeb Quinn
They are not the same.

They do in fact vehemently object and take offense at the fruits trying
to hijack and misappropriate their legitimate efforts and cause.

Bullshit. Some right-wing "religious" leaders bitch and moan. But the
people who matter accept us with open arms.

Post by Zeb Quinn
Another thing that the window-licker part of you missed and is
otherwise oblivious to.

Your desirability? yeah, I don't understand why anyone would want to fuck
a troll like you.

Post by Zeb Quinn

Post by Paul Raposo
Very much the same, you dumb cunt.

[Paul Raposo]

Post by Zeb Quinn

Post by p***@quentincrisp.com
Well, Jay has done it again. This time there's no limp wrists or
sniggering about "Brokeback Mountain." This time, according to Mr.
Leno, we gay men all have Truman Capote voices and cry when we think
about Judy Garland.

Clearly whatever biological error it is that accounts for queers being
queer also predisposes them to have limp wrists, be hair dressers, and
talk with cute little lisps. How can you deny reality?

And whatever biological error it is that cause too many Americans to be
ignorant, illiterate, stupid and...Oh yeah, inbreeding.

[curmudgeon]

Jay Leno has perhaps the worlds greatest sex fetish about satire and then
some.

[Steven L.]

Post by p***@quentincrisp.com
Well, Jay has done it again. This time there's no limp wrists or
sniggering about "Brokeback Mountain." This time, according to Mr.
Leno, we gay men all have Truman Capote voices and cry when we think
about Judy Garland.

Hey, long before Leno said anything, each season of "The Amazing Race"
always cast a token gay team to be a pair of mincing, prancing,
squealing, limp-wristed unlikable wimps. Only in Season 1 was there a
gay team as positive role models (Reichen and Chip).

[p***@quentincrisp.com]

Post by Steven L.
Hey, long before Leno said anything, each season of "The Amazing Race"
always cast a token gay team to be a pair of mincing, prancing,
squealing, limp-wristed unlikable wimps.

Thank God -- an intelligent response. I was feeling alone out here.

For minorities, media representation is a double-edged sword: it's
nice to see ourselves on television, but sometimes the portrayals are
disgusting. There's no indisputable evidence that this is due to
homophobia, though by comparison it's odd there's no gangsta blacks, or
lazy Hispanics, et al., on reality TV shows. Also, what's an offensive
stereotype and what's a likeable one? Remember, Team ChaCha was
arguably the most loved team that year.

As you can see in this thread, even fighting obvious homophobia brings
the morons out en masse, so I'm steering clear of an even more
difficult battle.

[BTR1701]

Post by p***@quentincrisp.com

Post by Steven L.
Hey, long before Leno said anything, each season of "The Amazing Race"
always cast a token gay team to be a pair of mincing, prancing,
squealing, limp-wristed unlikable wimps.

Thank God -- an intelligent response. I was feeling alone out here.
For minorities, media representation is a double-edged sword: it's
nice to see ourselves on television, but sometimes the portrayals are
disgusting. There's no indisputable evidence that this is due to
homophobia, though by comparison it's odd there's no gangsta blacks, or
lazy Hispanics, et al., on reality TV shows. Also, what's an offensive
stereotype and what's a likeable one? Remember, Team ChaCha was
arguably the most loved team that year.
As you can see in this thread, even fighting obvious homophobia brings
the morons out en masse

Explain to me how Leno's jokes constitute a phobia of any kind. As far
as I can see, there's absolutely no evidence whatsoever that Leno is
frightened of gays.

You do know that the suffix "phobia" means, don't you?

[e***@aol.com]

Post by BTR1701

Post by p***@quentincrisp.com

Post by Steven L.
Hey, long before Leno said anything, each season of "The Amazing Race"
always cast a token gay team to be a pair of mincing, prancing,
squealing, limp-wristed unlikable wimps.

Thank God -- an intelligent response. I was feeling alone out here.
For minorities, media representation is a double-edged sword: it's
nice to see ourselves on television, but sometimes the portrayals are
disgusting. There's no indisputable evidence that this is due to
homophobia, though by comparison it's odd there's no gangsta blacks, or
lazy Hispanics, et al., on reality TV shows. Also, what's an offensive
stereotype and what's a likeable one? Remember, Team ChaCha was
arguably the most loved team that year.
As you can see in this thread, even fighting obvious homophobia brings
the morons out en masse

Explain to me how Leno's jokes constitute a phobia of any kind. As far
as I can see, there's absolutely no evidence whatsoever that Leno is
frightened of gays.
You do know that the suffix "phobia" means, don't you?

You need a bigger dic

Main Entry: -phobia
Function: noun combining form
Etymology: New Latin, from Late Latin, from Greek, from -phobos
fearing, from phobos fear, flight, from phebesthai to flee; akin to
Lithuanian begti to flee, Old Church Slavonic bezati
1 : exaggerated fear of <acrophobia>
2 : intolerance or aversion for <photophobia>


Main Entry: ho·mo·pho·bia
Pronunciation: "hO-m&-'fO-bE-&
Function: noun
Date: 1969
: irrational fear of, aversion to, or discrimination against
homosexuality or homosexuals
- ho·mo·pho·bic /-'fO-bik/ adjective

[Paul Raposo]

Post by BTR1701

Post by p***@quentincrisp.com

Post by Steven L.
Hey, long before Leno said anything, each season of "The Amazing Race"
always cast a token gay team to be a pair of mincing, prancing,
squealing, limp-wristed unlikable wimps.

Thank God -- an intelligent response. I was feeling alone out here.
For minorities, media representation is a double-edged sword: it's
nice to see ourselves on television, but sometimes the portrayals are
disgusting. There's no indisputable evidence that this is due to
homophobia, though by comparison it's odd there's no gangsta blacks, or
lazy Hispanics, et al., on reality TV shows. Also, what's an offensive
stereotype and what's a likeable one? Remember, Team ChaCha was
arguably the most loved team that year.
As you can see in this thread, even fighting obvious homophobia brings
the morons out en masse

Explain to me how Leno's jokes constitute a phobia of any kind. As far
as I can see, there's absolutely no evidence whatsoever that Leno is
frightened of gays.
You do know that the suffix "phobia" means, don't you?

And you know you're a dumb fuck, right?

Here, if you know how to read more than a few sentences at a time, educate
yourself:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-gay_bias

[BTR1701]

Post by Paul Raposo

Post by BTR1701

Post by p***@quentincrisp.com

Post by Steven L.
Hey, long before Leno said anything, each season of "The Amazing Race"
always cast a token gay team to be a pair of mincing, prancing,
squealing, limp-wristed unlikable wimps.

Thank God -- an intelligent response. I was feeling alone out here.
For minorities, media representation is a double-edged sword: it's
nice to see ourselves on television, but sometimes the portrayals are
disgusting. There's no indisputable evidence that this is due to
homophobia, though by comparison it's odd there's no gangsta blacks, or
lazy Hispanics, et al., on reality TV shows. Also, what's an offensive
stereotype and what's a likeable one? Remember, Team ChaCha was
arguably the most loved team that year.
As you can see in this thread, even fighting obvious homophobia brings
the morons out en masse

Explain to me how Leno's jokes constitute a phobia of any kind. As far
as I can see, there's absolutely no evidence whatsoever that Leno is
frightened of gays.
You do know that the suffix "phobia" means, don't you?

And you know you're a dumb fuck, right?

Not as much of one as you are, apparently.

Post by Paul Raposo
Here, if you know how to read more than a few sentences at a time, educate
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-gay_bias

Ah, yes. Another leading light of intellectualism has cited an online
article from an encyclopedia that can be written by anyone as
authoritative. The "it's true because Wikipedia says so!" crowd seems to
be multiplying like vermin these days.

The fact that the very people who misuse the word have written an
article for Wikipedia justifying it means nothing.

[Paul Raposo]

Post by BTR1701

Post by Paul Raposo

Post by BTR1701

Post by p***@quentincrisp.com

Post by Steven L.
Hey, long before Leno said anything, each season of "The Amazing Race"
always cast a token gay team to be a pair of mincing, prancing,
squealing, limp-wristed unlikable wimps.

Thank God -- an intelligent response. I was feeling alone out here.
For minorities, media representation is a double-edged sword: it's
nice to see ourselves on television, but sometimes the portrayals are
disgusting. There's no indisputable evidence that this is due to
homophobia, though by comparison it's odd there's no gangsta blacks, or
lazy Hispanics, et al., on reality TV shows. Also, what's an offensive
stereotype and what's a likeable one? Remember, Team ChaCha was
arguably the most loved team that year.
As you can see in this thread, even fighting obvious homophobia brings
the morons out en masse

Explain to me how Leno's jokes constitute a phobia of any kind. As far
as I can see, there's absolutely no evidence whatsoever that Leno is
frightened of gays.
You do know that the suffix "phobia" means, don't you?

And you know you're a dumb fuck, right?

Not as much of one as you are, apparently.

Ah...IKYABWAI! Ha ha, good come back, douche bag. Ask your mama for that one?

Post by BTR1701

Post by Paul Raposo
Here, if you know how to read more than a few sentences at a time, educate
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-gay_bias

Ah, yes. Another leading light of intellectualism has cited an online
article from an encyclopedia that can be written by anyone as
authoritative.

It's a handy reference. I could have given you a couple of titles to reference
books, but that would involve reading, which is clearly not your forte.

Post by BTR1701
The "it's true because Wikipedia says so!" crowd seems to
be multiplying like vermin these days.

And it's deniers are scrambling like cockroaches.

Post by BTR1701
The fact that the very people who misuse the word have written an
article for Wikipedia justifying it means nothing.

Can you prove that people have:

A. Misused the word and
B. If people have misused the word, those people wrote that Wik page?

Please explain, oh leading light, the proper use of the word homophobia.

Or are you just pulling shit out of your ass and throwing it for attention?

[Captain Infinity]

Post by Paul Raposo
It's a handy reference. I could have given you a couple of titles to reference
books, but that would involve reading, which is clearly not your forte.
And it's deniers are scrambling like cockroaches.

Clearly writing is not *your* forte.



**
Captain Infinity

[Paul Raposo]

Post by Captain Infinity

Post by Paul Raposo
It's a handy reference. I could have given you a couple of titles to reference
books, but that would involve reading, which is clearly not your forte.
And it's deniers are scrambling like cockroaches.

Clearly writing is not *your* forte.

Uh huh...Please explain what the fuck you mean, you moron.

Post by Captain Infinity
**
Captain Infinity

[Captain Infinity]

Post by Paul Raposo

Post by Captain Infinity

Post by Paul Raposo
It's a handy reference. I could have given you a couple of titles to reference
books, but that would involve reading, which is clearly not your forte.
And it's deniers are scrambling like cockroaches.

Clearly writing is not *your* forte.

Uh huh...Please explain what the fuck you mean, you moron.

What am I, your English teacher? Go back to grade school, you
illiterate fuck.


**
Captain Infinity

[Paul Raposo]

Post by Captain Infinity

Post by Paul Raposo

Post by Captain Infinity

Post by Paul Raposo
It's a handy reference. I could have given you a couple of titles to reference
books, but that would involve reading, which is clearly not your forte.
And it's deniers are scrambling like cockroaches.

Clearly writing is not *your* forte.

Uh huh...Please explain what the fuck you mean, you moron.

What am I,

Moron; idiot; illiterate; putz; scab; nerd; geek? Am I close?

Post by Captain Infinity
your English teacher?

Was a sainted man. Wen you learn good write scills, don't no one can take it a way.
Oak 'eh?

Post by Captain Infinity
Go back to grade school, you
illiterate fuck.

Go back to your mama and ask her to give ya the tit, asswipe.

Post by Captain Infinity
**
Captain Infinity

[Captain Infinity]

Post by Paul Raposo
Moron; idiot; illiterate; putz; scab; nerd; geek? Am I close?
Go back to your mama and ask her to give ya the tit, asswipe.

Wow, all those years of sucking dick and felching assholes have done
amazing things to the quality of your language. Have you thought about
seeing an oral surgeon?


**
Captain Infinity

[BTR1701]

Post by BTR1701

Post by Paul Raposo

Post by BTR1701

Post by p***@quentincrisp.com

Post by Steven L.
Hey, long before Leno said anything, each season of "The Amazing Race"
always cast a token gay team to be a pair of mincing, prancing,
squealing, limp-wristed unlikable wimps.

Thank God -- an intelligent response. I was feeling alone out here.
For minorities, media representation is a double-edged sword: it's
nice to see ourselves on television, but sometimes the portrayals are
disgusting. There's no indisputable evidence that this is due to
homophobia, though by comparison it's odd there's no gangsta blacks, or
lazy Hispanics, et al., on reality TV shows. Also, what's an offensive
stereotype and what's a likeable one? Remember, Team ChaCha was
arguably the most loved team that year.
As you can see in this thread, even fighting obvious homophobia
brings the morons out en masse

Explain to me how Leno's jokes constitute a phobia of any kind. As far
as I can see, there's absolutely no evidence whatsoever that Leno is
frightened of gays.
You do know that the suffix "phobia" means, don't you?

And you know you're a dumb fuck, right?

Not as much of one as you are, apparently.

Ah...IKYABWAI! Ha ha, good come back, douche bag. Ask your mama for that
one?

So sad...

Post by BTR1701

Post by Paul Raposo
Here, if you know how to read more than a few sentences at a time,
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-gay_bias

Ah, yes. Another leading light of intellectualism has cited an online
article from an encyclopedia that can be written by anyone as
authoritative.

It's a handy reference.

I bet. And when it doesn't say what you want it to, you can always
re-write it. Yay!

[Paul Raposo]

Post by BTR1701

Post by BTR1701

Post by Paul Raposo

Post by BTR1701

Post by p***@quentincrisp.com

Post by Steven L.
Hey, long before Leno said anything, each season of "The Amazing
Race"
always cast a token gay team to be a pair of mincing, prancing,
squealing, limp-wristed unlikable wimps.

Thank God -- an intelligent response. I was feeling alone out here.
For minorities, media representation is a double-edged sword: it's
nice to see ourselves on television, but sometimes the portrayals are
disgusting. There's no indisputable evidence that this is due to
homophobia, though by comparison it's odd there's no gangsta blacks, or
lazy Hispanics, et al., on reality TV shows. Also, what's an offensive
stereotype and what's a likeable one? Remember, Team ChaCha was
arguably the most loved team that year.
As you can see in this thread, even fighting obvious homophobia
brings the morons out en masse

Explain to me how Leno's jokes constitute a phobia of any kind. As far
as I can see, there's absolutely no evidence whatsoever that Leno is
frightened of gays.
You do know that the suffix "phobia" means, don't you?

And you know you're a dumb fuck, right?

Not as much of one as you are, apparently.

Ah...IKYABWAI! Ha ha, good come back, douche bag. Ask your mama for that
one?

So sad...

Your life? Job? Lack of friends? Lack of endowment? Quite so.

Post by BTR1701

Post by BTR1701

Post by Paul Raposo
Here, if you know how to read more than a few sentences at a time,
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-gay_bias

Ah, yes. Another leading light of intellectualism has cited an online
article from an encyclopedia that can be written by anyone as
authoritative.

It's a handy reference.

I bet.

You'd win that bet.

Post by BTR1701
And when it doesn't say what you want it to,

Oh, like when you derided it's content, because it didn't say what you wanted it
to?

Post by BTR1701
you can always
re-write it. Yay!

Or the person who started that page may.

[Arizona John]

Turd burglars like to throw the word homophobia around.

[Paul Raposo]

Post by Arizona John
Turd burglars like to throw the word homophobia around.

And turd catchers like to deny it's existence.

[William December Starr]

Post by BTR1701
Explain to me how Leno's jokes constitute a phobia of any kind. As
far as I can see, there's absolutely no evidence whatsoever that
Leno is frightened of gays.
You do know that the suffix "phobia" means, don't you?

Words mean what they mean, not what they logically should mean
based upon an analysis of the roots of their components.

[Captain Infinity]

Post by William December Starr

Post by BTR1701
Explain to me how Leno's jokes constitute a phobia of any kind. As
far as I can see, there's absolutely no evidence whatsoever that
Leno is frightened of gays.
You do know that the suffix "phobia" means, don't you?

Words mean what they mean, not what they logically should mean
based upon an analysis of the roots of their components.

Which is why people know what others mean when they call you a "big, fat
doody-head" even though you are small, thin, and have a clean pate.


**
Captain Infinity

[BTR1701]

Post by William December Starr

Post by BTR1701
Explain to me how Leno's jokes constitute a phobia of any kind. As
far as I can see, there's absolutely no evidence whatsoever that
Leno is frightened of gays.
You do know that the suffix "phobia" means, don't you?

Words mean what they mean, not what they logically should mean
based upon an analysis of the roots of their components.

And words don't change meaning just because a bunch of hyper-sensitive,
politically correct pressure groups want them to.

[Paul Raposo]

Post by BTR1701

Post by William December Starr

Post by BTR1701
Explain to me how Leno's jokes constitute a phobia of any kind. As
far as I can see, there's absolutely no evidence whatsoever that
Leno is frightened of gays.
You do know that the suffix "phobia" means, don't you?

Words mean what they mean, not what they logically should mean
based upon an analysis of the roots of their components.

And words don't change meaning just because a bunch of hyper-sensitive,
politically correct pressure groups want them to.

Oh, you mean like bigoted right-wingers?

[BTR1701]

Post by Paul Raposo

Post by BTR1701

Post by William December Starr

Post by BTR1701
Explain to me how Leno's jokes constitute a phobia of any kind. As
far as I can see, there's absolutely no evidence whatsoever that
Leno is frightened of gays.
You do know that the suffix "phobia" means, don't you?

Words mean what they mean, not what they logically should mean
based upon an analysis of the roots of their components.

And words don't change meaning just because a bunch of hyper-sensitive,
politically correct pressure groups want them to.

Oh, you mean like bigoted right-wingers?

Nope.

[Paul Raposo]

Post by Paul Raposo

Post by BTR1701

Post by William December Starr

Post by BTR1701
Explain to me how Leno's jokes constitute a phobia of any kind. As
far as I can see, there's absolutely no evidence whatsoever that
Leno is frightened of gays.
You do know that the suffix "phobia" means, don't you?

Words mean what they mean, not what they logically should mean
based upon an analysis of the roots of their components.

And words don't change meaning just because a bunch of hyper-sensitive,
politically correct pressure groups want them to.

Oh, you mean like bigoted right-wingers?

Nope.

Oh, I'm sorry. I thought it was implied.

[BTR1701]

Post by Paul Raposo

Post by BTR1701

Post by William December Starr

Post by BTR1701
Explain to me how Leno's jokes constitute a phobia of any kind. As
far as I can see, there's absolutely no evidence whatsoever that
Leno is frightened of gays.
You do know that the suffix "phobia" means, don't you?

Words mean what they mean, not what they logically should mean
based upon an analysis of the roots of their components.

And words don't change meaning just because a bunch of hyper-sensitive,
politically correct pressure groups want them to.

Oh, you mean like bigoted right-wingers?

Nope.

Oh, I'm sorry. I thought it was implied.

That's what you get for trying to think.

[BTR1701]

why is Jay Leno a 'homophobe' for doing what Will&Grace has been
doing for years?

Richard Pryor, Dave Chapelle et al. frequently talked about "niggers"
(or "niggaz," if you prefer). Why don't you do the same?

For your analogy to work, Eric McCormack and Sean Hayes would have to
actually be gay. Are they? I know that at least one of them isn't.

Sean Hayes wouldn't sleep with you?

What the hell are you talking about?

[William December Starr]

Post by BTR1701

Post by William December Starr
Words mean what they mean, not what they logically should mean
based upon an analysis of the roots of their components.

And words don't change meaning just because a bunch of
hyper-sensitive, politically correct pressure groups want them to.

They can. That is, words change meanings -- or acquire new ones in
addition to, and without abandoning, their old ones -- as new usages
become common, regardless of the source or impetus.

Me, I think "homo-hater" is a much better word for that particular
type of person (spit) than "homophobe," but I recognize that
"homophobe" (1) has taken on that meaning and (2) is so widely used
in that meaning that "homo-hater" may never catch on.

[Captain Infinity]

Post by William December Starr
Me, I think "homo-hater" is a much better word for that particular
type of person (spit) than "homophobe," but I recognize that
"homophobe" (1) has taken on that meaning and (2) is so widely used
in that meaning that "homo-hater" may never catch on.

You are correct, it will never catch on, but not for the reasons you
mention. The term "homophobe" is used almost exclusively by
homosexuals, referring to those they believe oppress them.

Homos would much rather have normal people be afraid of them than hating
them, although this is unlikely to ever be the reality.


**
Captain Infinity

[p***@quentincrisp.com]

So a quick summary: the three people who said Jay Leno makes jokes
about other minority groups have all checked in -- Captain Infinity,
Gooserider, BTR1701. None have been able to cite ANY jokes, or
announced any intention to monitor the show and quote them for us when
they occur. (Which is smart, because they don't.)

Aside from our homophobic TV host, then, we have three blowhards who
spew big ideas but can't back up a syllable of what they say.

Well, it's been fun. I can't stand those "agree to disagree" threads,
so it's nice to reach a conclusion no one debates.

[Barnabas Collins]

Post by p***@quentincrisp.com
So a quick summary: the three people who said Jay Leno makes jokes
about other minority groups have all checked in -- Captain Infinity,
Gooserider, BTR1701. None have been able to cite ANY jokes, or
announced any intention to monitor the show and quote them for us when
they occur. (Which is smart, because they don't.)

He has had jokes about other minorities.....Muslims for example.




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[BTR1701]

Post by William December Starr

Post by BTR1701

Post by William December Starr
Words mean what they mean, not what they logically should mean
based upon an analysis of the roots of their components.

And words don't change meaning just because a bunch of
hyper-sensitive, politically correct pressure groups want them to.

They can. That is, words change meanings -- or acquire new ones in
addition to, and without abandoning, their old ones -- as new usages
become common, regardless of the source or impetus.
Me, I think "homo-hater" is a much better word for that particular
type of person (spit) than "homophobe," but I recognize that
"homophobe" (1) has taken on that meaning and (2) is so widely used
in that meaning that "homo-hater" may never catch on.

And that wouldn't be any more accurate regarding Leno than homophobe.
Anyone who believe Leno actively hates anyone just because he tells
jokes about them is nuts.

[Gregory Morrow]

Post by Steven L.

Post by p***@quentincrisp.com
Well, Jay has done it again. This time there's no limp wrists or
sniggering about "Brokeback Mountain." This time, according to Mr.
Leno, we gay men all have Truman Capote voices and cry when we think
about Judy Garland.

Hey, long before Leno said anything, each season of "The Amazing Race"
always cast a token gay team to be a pair of mincing, prancing,
squealing, limp-wristed unlikable wimps. Only in Season 1 was there a
gay team as positive role models (Reichen and Chip).

I get the gay Logo cable channel and so much of it is simply unwatchable --
precisely because so many of the gay men are simpering, prissy, shallow,
twinky, self - absorbed queens. _Queer As Folk_ was unwatchable for me for
the same reason (not that I would have watched it on a regular basis
anyway). The mainstream gay press is this way too, all the gay men are
presented as young, hot, lotsa money, only interested in silly ephemeral
things (although maybe the liquor and HIV drug companies that primarily
advertise in these venues are simply broadcasting to their desired
demographic). Lesbians are often portrayed as "power lesbians" who live a
suburban dream lifestyle right down to the in - vitro kids and "family"
vacation cruises with Rosie O'Donnell. Of course this is how the mainstream
hetero media operates too -- or maybe I'm just getting old :-|

[avery]

Post by Gregory Morrow
I get the gay Logo cable channel and so much of it is simply
unwatchable --
precisely because so many of the gay men are simpering, prissy, shallow,
twinky, self - absorbed queens. _Queer As Folk_ was unwatchable for me for
the same reason (not that I would have watched it on a regular basis
anyway). The mainstream gay press is this way too, all the gay men are
presented as young, hot, lotsa money, only interested in silly ephemeral
things (although maybe the liquor and HIV drug companies that primarily
advertise in these venues are simply broadcasting to their desired
demographic). Lesbians are often portrayed as "power lesbians" who live a
suburban dream lifestyle right down to the in - vitro kids and "family"
vacation cruises with Rosie O'Donnell. Of course this is how the mainstream
hetero media operates too -- or maybe I'm just getting old :-|

Well here's the billion-dollar (probably literally) question: How *should*
homosexuals be portrayed in the media?
I agree that the mincing, campy, rubber-wristed fairyclowns are silly, but
so are those safely straight-acting suited types who punch their *lovers* on
the back with virile fratboy-style bear hugs to show the world that not all
gays are mincing, campy, rubber-wristed fairyclowns. There are so many
shades of gray, as with any other *category*. Is anybody portrayed
*realistically* in the media? How would you like to see gays portrayed? It
would seem that the more variety the better, but....What would you like to
see? And why do I sound like I'm assigning a high school social-studies
essay?

[p***@quentincrisp.com]

Post by avery
How would you like to see gays portrayed?

That's an argument I'm not getting into, since I'm already getting it
from all sides. Balance is the key, though.

If anybody intelligent is reading this, really, you've got to shake
your head. It makes me appreciate the courage of people like Rosa
Parks even more. Because aside from the hatred she got from white
folks -- like this "Why are you so sensitive?" and "Why do you watch
Leno anyway?" bullshit I'm getting -- I'll bet more than a few blacks
said, "Rosa, just move to the back of the bus. I've got somewhere I've
got to go."

[Captain Infinity]

Post by p***@quentincrisp.com
If anybody intelligent is reading this, really, you've got to shake
your head. It makes me appreciate the courage of people like Rosa
Parks even more. Because aside from the hatred she got from white
folks -- like this "Why are you so sensitive?" and "Why do you watch
Leno anyway?" bullshit I'm getting -- I'll bet more than a few blacks
said, "Rosa, just move to the back of the bus. I've got somewhere I've
got to go."

Oh please. You can't equate Rosa Parks' seating issue with
homosexuality. One is racial prejudice based on skin color and the
other is a former mental disease now become a celebrated lifestyle
choice. The first is something you're born with which cannot be changed
in any manner (unless you've got Michael Jackson's millions) and the
other is curable with strong medications and a long series of
Electroconvulsive Therapy treatments.

But you've got to *want* to be cured, first and foremost.


**
Captain Infinity

[Paul Raposo]

Post by Captain Infinity

Post by p***@quentincrisp.com
If anybody intelligent is reading this, really, you've got to shake
your head. It makes me appreciate the courage of people like Rosa
Parks even more. Because aside from the hatred she got from white
folks -- like this "Why are you so sensitive?" and "Why do you watch
Leno anyway?" bullshit I'm getting -- I'll bet more than a few blacks
said, "Rosa, just move to the back of the bus. I've got somewhere I've
got to go."

Oh please. You can't equate Rosa Parks' seating issue with
homosexuality.

Rosa Parks did. Who the fuck are you to dismiss her opinion, you cracker
mother fucker?

Post by Captain Infinity
One is racial prejudice based on skin color and the
other is a former mental disease now become a celebrated lifestyle
choice.

Sotra like inbreeding in your neighbourhood.

Post by Captain Infinity
The first is something you're born with which cannot be changed
in any manner (unless you've got Michael Jackson's millions) and the
other is curable with strong medications and a long series of
Electroconvulsive Therapy treatments.
But you've got to *want* to be cured, first and foremost.
**
Captain Infinity

[NoMo]

Post by Paul Raposo

Post by Captain Infinity

Post by p***@quentincrisp.com
If anybody intelligent is reading this, really, you've got to shake
your head. It makes me appreciate the courage of people like Rosa
Parks even more. Because aside from the hatred she got from white
folks -- like this "Why are you so sensitive?" and "Why do you watch
Leno anyway?" bullshit I'm getting -- I'll bet more than a few blacks
said, "Rosa, just move to the back of the bus. I've got somewhere I've
got to go."

Oh please. You can't equate Rosa Parks' seating issue with
homosexuality.

Rosa Parks did. Who the fuck are you to dismiss her opinion, you cracker
mother fucker?

<snip>

With all respect, when did Rosa Parks express such an opinion (equating gay
rights with her seating issue)?
I've Googled and can't find a thing.

Cheers,
Morgs

[Paul Raposo]

Post by NoMo

Post by Paul Raposo

Post by Captain Infinity

Post by p***@quentincrisp.com
If anybody intelligent is reading this, really, you've got to shake
your head. It makes me appreciate the courage of people like Rosa
Parks even more. Because aside from the hatred she got from white
folks -- like this "Why are you so sensitive?" and "Why do you watch
Leno anyway?" bullshit I'm getting -- I'll bet more than a few blacks
said, "Rosa, just move to the back of the bus. I've got somewhere I've
got to go."

Oh please. You can't equate Rosa Parks' seating issue with
homosexuality.

Rosa Parks did. Who the fuck are you to dismiss her opinion, you cracker
mother fucker?

<snip>
With all respect, when did Rosa Parks express such an opinion (equating gay
rights with her seating issue)?
I've Googled and can't find a thing.
Cheers,
Morgs

If you want to believe I meant "precisely" Rosa Park's seating protest, rather
then her fight for equal rights, then so be it. I forgot I'm dealing with Leno
fans, who need a comment projected a mile away, for them to be able to
understand it.

I'm searching for the website where I read that. It was a quote, or a comment
she had made. I can't remember it verbatim, though. When I find it, I'll post
the addy.

[subscriber1997]

Post by avery

Post by Gregory Morrow
I get the gay Logo cable channel and so much of it is simply
unwatchable --
precisely because so many of the gay men are simpering, prissy, shallow,
twinky, self - absorbed queens. _Queer As Folk_ was unwatchable for me for
the same reason (not that I would have watched it on a regular basis
anyway). The mainstream gay press is this way too, all the gay men are
presented as young, hot, lotsa money, only interested in silly ephemeral
things (although maybe the liquor and HIV drug companies that primarily
advertise in these venues are simply broadcasting to their desired
demographic). Lesbians are often portrayed as "power lesbians" who live a
suburban dream lifestyle right down to the in - vitro kids and "family"
vacation cruises with Rosie O'Donnell. Of course this is how the mainstream
hetero media operates too -- or maybe I'm just getting old :-|

Well here's the billion-dollar (probably literally) question: How *should*
homosexuals be portrayed in the media?
I agree that the mincing, campy, rubber-wristed fairyclowns are silly, but
so are those safely straight-acting suited types who punch their *lovers*
on the back with virile fratboy-style bear hugs to show the world that not
all gays are mincing, campy, rubber-wristed fairyclowns. There are so
many shades of gray, as with any other *category*. Is anybody portrayed
*realistically* in the media? How would you like to see gays portrayed? It
would seem that the more variety the better, but....What would you like to
see? And why do I sound like I'm assigning a high school social-studies
essay?

=============================


i kinda like the mincing loose-wristed butch queen types


and doomzie you always sound like a high school
English teacher ...

[Paul Raposo]

Post by Gregory Morrow

Post by Steven L.

Post by p***@quentincrisp.com
Well, Jay has done it again. This time there's no limp wrists or
sniggering about "Brokeback Mountain." This time, according to Mr.
Leno, we gay men all have Truman Capote voices and cry when we think
about Judy Garland.

Hey, long before Leno said anything, each season of "The Amazing Race"
always cast a token gay team to be a pair of mincing, prancing,
squealing, limp-wristed unlikable wimps. Only in Season 1 was there a
gay team as positive role models (Reichen and Chip).

I get the gay Logo cable channel and so much of it is simply unwatchable --
precisely because so many of the gay men are simpering, prissy, shallow,
twinky, self - absorbed queens. _Queer As Folk_ was unwatchable for me for
the same reason (not that I would have watched it on a regular basis
anyway).

And isn't it odd that so many hets have a hand in so called "gay" programming?
If you don't like the gay stereotypes you're seeing, blame the hets who
perpetuate those stereotypes in the media. Many of us don't like those
portrayals either, but we have very little control over the content.

Post by Gregory Morrow
The mainstream gay press is this way too, all the gay men are
presented as young, hot, lotsa money, only interested in silly ephemeral
things

Oh, you mean like hets are presented? Ever read GQ, Stuff, FHM, Robb Report?
Same shit, different pile, jackass.

Post by Gregory Morrow
(although maybe the liquor and HIV drug companies that primarily
advertise in these venues are simply broadcasting to their desired
demographic).

Asshole, the GLBT community aren't the only people who drink and need HIV
drugs. I understand you are the Queen Almighty and we should all bow at your
feet, but some of us can't and won't abide by your narrow view of what it means
to be a homosexual.

Post by Gregory Morrow
Lesbians are often portrayed as "power lesbians" who live a
suburban dream lifestyle right down to the in - vitro kids and "family"
vacation cruises with Rosie O'Donnell. Of course this is how the mainstream
hetero media operates too -- or maybe I'm just getting old :-|

Or maybe, you're just an dumbass.

Post by Gregory Morrow
--
Best
Greg

[Paul Raposo]

Post by Steven L.

Post by p***@quentincrisp.com
Well, Jay has done it again. This time there's no limp wrists or
sniggering about "Brokeback Mountain." This time, according to Mr.
Leno, we gay men all have Truman Capote voices and cry when we think
about Judy Garland.

Hey, long before Leno said anything, each season of "The Amazing Race"
always cast a token gay team to be a pair of mincing, prancing,
squealing, limp-wristed unlikable wimps. Only in Season 1 was there a
gay team as positive role models (Reichen and Chip).
--
Steven D. Litvintchouk
Remove the NOSPAM before replying to me.

Why were Reichen and Chip positive and the others were not? Is it because
one pair made you comfortable and the others made you uncomfortable? Do
you extend this ignorance to all minorities, or just the GLBT community?

[polar]

Post by Paul Raposo

Post by Steven L.
Hey, long before Leno said anything, each season of "The Amazing Race"
always cast a token gay team to be a pair of mincing, prancing,
squealing, limp-wristed unlikable wimps. Only in Season 1 was there a
gay team as positive role models (Reichen and Chip).

Why were Reichen and Chip positive and the others were not? Is it because
one pair made you comfortable and the others made you uncomfortable? Do
you extend this ignorance to all minorities, or just the GLBT community?

I didn't like Reichen and Chip not because they were gay
but because they had an annoying egotistical attitude of
'we're better than these other teams, they're morons, we're
going to win'.

In one series of 'Amazing Race' one team was two gay
men from Miami, who did "prance" but these guys were
adorable. Their nickname was 'Team Hot Cha Cha" and
I was rooting for them.

Steve, which team is the "token gay team" in Race #9?

[Paul Raposo]

Post by polar

Post by Paul Raposo

Post by Steven L.
Hey, long before Leno said anything, each season of "The Amazing Race"
always cast a token gay team to be a pair of mincing, prancing,
squealing, limp-wristed unlikable wimps. Only in Season 1 was there a
gay team as positive role models (Reichen and Chip).

Why were Reichen and Chip positive and the others were not? Is it because
one pair made you comfortable and the others made you uncomfortable? Do
you extend this ignorance to all minorities, or just the GLBT community?

I didn't like Reichen and Chip not because they were gay
but because they had an annoying egotistical attitude of
'we're better than these other teams, they're morons, we're
going to win'.

That's why I don't like the show completely. The blind leading the blind. Gay,
or straight, I mean, would you want any of those people as employees--or friends
for that matter?

Post by polar
In one series of 'Amazing Race' one team was two gay
men from Miami, who did "prance" but these guys were
adorable. Their nickname was 'Team Hot Cha Cha" and
I was rooting for them.
Steve, which team is the "token gay team" in Race #9?

[dbarr8]

On Thu, 20 Apr 2006 19:12:28 GMT, "Steven L."

Post by Steven L.

Post by p***@quentincrisp.com
Well, Jay has done it again. This time there's no limp wrists or
sniggering about "Brokeback Mountain." This time, according to Mr.
Leno, we gay men all have Truman Capote voices and cry when we think
about Judy Garland.

Hey, long before Leno said anything, each season of "The Amazing Race"
always cast a token gay team to be a pair of mincing, prancing,
squealing, limp-wristed unlikable wimps. Only in Season 1 was there a
gay team as positive role models (Reichen and Chip).

They were nasty idiots!!

[Gregory Morrow]

Post by p***@quentincrisp.com
Well, Jay has done it again. This time there's no limp wrists or
sniggering about "Brokeback Mountain." This time, according to Mr.
Leno, we gay men all have Truman Capote voices and cry when we think
about Judy Garland.
To add salt to the wound, the man continues to play the sensitivity
card. In the past two months he's apologized to a friend of Dick
Cheney's shooting victim, and to the great-grandson of a doctor who
treated John Wilkes Booth.

????

Post by p***@quentincrisp.com
"It's not unusual for Leno to make such calls," an NBC spokeswoman
maintains.
And then he goes on TV and lisps his way through another San Francisco
joke.
Let The Tonight Show and Jay Leno know these attacks are unacceptable.
Please, if just twenty or thirty of us write in it could make a

"Yaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaawn"....who cares!? Leno is so lame I really have to
wonder who watches him -- Gram and Gramps before they go to bed?

Your "concern" is frankly misplaced and you are simply wasting your
time...I bet you start bawling when anyone gives you a mean look on the
street, too.

[Paul Raposo]

Post by Gregory Morrow

Post by p***@quentincrisp.com
Well, Jay has done it again. This time there's no limp wrists or
sniggering about "Brokeback Mountain." This time, according to Mr.
Leno, we gay men all have Truman Capote voices and cry when we think
about Judy Garland.
To add salt to the wound, the man continues to play the sensitivity
card. In the past two months he's apologized to a friend of Dick
Cheney's shooting victim, and to the great-grandson of a doctor who
treated John Wilkes Booth.

????

Post by p***@quentincrisp.com
"It's not unusual for Leno to make such calls," an NBC spokeswoman
maintains.
And then he goes on TV and lisps his way through another San Francisco
joke.
Let The Tonight Show and Jay Leno know these attacks are unacceptable.
Please, if just twenty or thirty of us write in it could make a

"Yaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaawn"....who cares!? Leno is so lame I really have to
wonder who watches him -- Gram and Gramps before they go to bed?
Your "concern" is frankly misplaced and you are simply wasting your
time...I bet you start bawling when anyone gives you a mean look on the
street, too.
--
Best
Greg

Odd that your disinterest forced you to state--in a reply--your
disinterest. The time you spent writing that worthless reply, you could
have fired off an email to NBC and told them off. Clearly, you're just
making up excuses for your own complacency.

[jeremyfive]

"Will and Grace" are funny--Jay Leno is not.
"Will and Grace" are sexy--Jay Leno is not.
"Will and Grace" are wildly popular--Jay Leno is not.
"Will and Grace" is groundbreaking in it's depiction of contrasting gay
personalities while Jay Leno gives us the "same old, same old".
"Will and Grace" are dipicting a lot of honest truths--Jay Leno is
dredging up a lot of tired, hoary stereotypes.
"Will and Grace" is watched by me. Jay Leno is not.

J

[Jim Fenster]

On Thu, 20 Apr 2006 13:32:04 -0700, jeremyfive wrote:

Jay Leno is the only late night show worth watching for more than five
minutes, and the only guy who comes across as somebody I'd enjoy having a
beer with.

And what's this 'phobia' stuff? Leno isn't afraid of homosexuals; he just
thinks they're good for laughs.

And he's right.

"Will and Grace" are funny--Jay Leno is not. "Will and Grace" are
sexy--Jay Leno is not. "Will and Grace" are wildly popular--Jay Leno is
not. "Will and Grace" is groundbreaking in it's depiction of contrasting
gay personalities while Jay Leno gives us the "same old, same old". "Will
and Grace" are dipicting a lot of honest truths--Jay Leno is dredging up a
lot of tired, hoary stereotypes. "Will and Grace" is watched by me. Jay
Leno is not.
J

[Paul Raposo]

Post by Jim Fenster
Jay Leno is the only late night show worth watching for more than five
minutes, and the only guy who comes across as somebody I'd enjoy having a
beer with.
And what's this 'phobia' stuff? Leno isn't afraid of homosexuals; he just
thinks they're good for laughs.
And he's right.

Well, there's a laugh and the nervous chuckle you make every time a good looking
man passes by you. I think Leno just gives you the opportunity to feel better
about yourself, after beating off during Monday Night Raw.

[jeremyfive]

Obviously a large portion of his audience is not laughing.

We're waiting for the "jokes" instead of the nyuk-nyuk "good ole boy"
put-downs that pass as humor. (Same group that nyuked it up at the
Pollack and Jew and nigger stuff.)

Jokes are funnier, Jay. Why not try a couple?

J

[jeremyfive]

Obviously a large portion of his audience is not laughing.

We're waiting for the "jokes" instead of the nyuk-nyuk "good ole boy"
put-downs that pass as humor. (Same group that nyuked it up at the
Pollack and Jew and nigger stuff.)

Jokes are funnier, Jay. Why not try a couple?

J

[Captain Infinity]

Post by jeremyfive
"Will and Grace" are funny--Jay Leno is not.
"Will and Grace" are sexy--Jay Leno is not.
"Will and Grace" are wildly popular--Jay Leno is not.
"Will and Grace" is groundbreaking in it's depiction of contrasting gay
personalities while Jay Leno gives us the "same old, same old".
"Will and Grace" are dipicting a lot of honest truths--Jay Leno is
dredging up a lot of tired, hoary stereotypes.
"Will and Grace" is watched by me. Jay Leno is not.

If Jay Leno is not watched by you then how do you know he's not funny,
sexy, wildly popular, groundbreaking and truthful?

I THINK YOU'RE PREJUDICED!! EVERYBODY POINT AT JEREMYFIVE AND SCOWL!!


**
Captain Infinity

[Paul Raposo]

Post by Captain Infinity

Post by jeremyfive
"Will and Grace" are funny--Jay Leno is not.
"Will and Grace" are sexy--Jay Leno is not.
"Will and Grace" are wildly popular--Jay Leno is not.
"Will and Grace" is groundbreaking in it's depiction of contrasting gay
personalities while Jay Leno gives us the "same old, same old".
"Will and Grace" are dipicting a lot of honest truths--Jay Leno is
dredging up a lot of tired, hoary stereotypes.
"Will and Grace" is watched by me. Jay Leno is not.

If Jay Leno is not watched by you then how do you know he's not funny,

You only have to see a thing once, to know it's not funny. Do you watch a
show season, after season, just to tell yourself you hate it?

Post by Captain Infinity
sexy,

Homely as a mule's ass.

Post by Captain Infinity
wildly popular,

That's like being the smartest hillbilly in Hillbilly town.

Post by Captain Infinity
groundbreaking

Has a huge staff of writers.

Post by Captain Infinity
and truthful?

A sycophant.

Post by Captain Infinity
I THINK YOU'RE PREJUDICED!! EVERYBODY POINT AT JEREMYFIVE AND SCOWL!!
**
Captain Infinity

[dbarr8]

On Thu, 20 Apr 2006 22:11:52 GMT, Captain Infinity

Post by jeremyfive
"Will and Grace" are funny--Jay Leno is not.
"Will and Grace" are sexy--Jay Leno is not.
"Will and Grace" are wildly popular--Jay Leno is not.
"Will and Grace" is groundbreaking in it's depiction of contrasting gay
personalities while Jay Leno gives us the "same old, same old".
"Will and Grace" are dipicting a lot of honest truths--Jay Leno is
dredging up a lot of tired, hoary stereotypes.
"Will and Grace" is watched by me. Jay Leno is not.

Both are garbage!!

[jeremyfive]

Hey, Captain. Scowl right back at you.

Have a beer with Jay Leno? I'd just as soon share a mint julep with
Anita Bryant! (That'll be the day.)

J

[Franklin Hummel]

Post by Captain Infinity
If Jay Leno is not watched by you then how do you know he's not funny,
sexy, wildly popular, groundbreaking and truthful?
I THINK YOU'RE PREJUDICED!! EVERYBODY POINT AT JEREMYFIVE AND SCOWL!!

Go back to alt.fan.tom-servo, Captain Infinity. You fit in well there with the other
pat-ourselves-on-our-own-backs, self-centered, narrow-minded bastards.

Bush has a 33% approval rating according to Fox New!

HA HA HAHAHAHA HA HAHA HAHAHA HAHAHAHAHA HAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHA HAHA HAHAHAHA
HAHAHA HAHAHAHAHA HAHAHA HA HAHA HA HA HA hee!

-- Franklin Hummel in Boston, Massachusetts

[Captain Infinity]

Post by Franklin Hummel
Go back to alt.fan.tom-servo, Captain Infinity. You fit
in well there with the other pat-ourselves-on-our-own-backs,
self-centered, narrow-minded bastards.

You haven't read aft-s lately, have you? It's not the group you
remember it to be.

And no matter how hard you try, you just can't stay out of a fag-bashing
thread, can you? It's that self-loathing, Franklin, it's really got a
grip on you. Have you tried lithium yet?

Post by Franklin Hummel
Bush has a 33% approval rating according to Fox New!
HA HA HAHAHAHA HA HAHA HAHAHA HAHAHAHAHA HAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHA HAHA HAHAHAHA
HAHAHA HAHAHAHAHA HAHAHA HA HAHA HA HA HA hee!

Now *that's* entertainment: a non-sequitur followed by maniacal
laughter. You should post more of that.


**
Captain Infinity

[jeremyfive]

Captain Infinity makes me puke.

J

[Captain Infinity]

Post by jeremyfive
Captain Infinity makes me puke.
J

My work here is done.



**
Captain Infinity

[Gooserider]

Post by p***@quentincrisp.com
Well, Jay has done it again. This time there's no limp wrists or
sniggering about "Brokeback Mountain." This time, according to Mr.
Leno, we gay men all have Truman Capote voices and cry when we think
about Judy Garland.

To quote Carlos Mencia, "If you can take a dick, you can take a joke.".
Nobody has a right to not be made fun of. Suck it up, grow a thicker skin,
and quit whining.

[Paul Raposo]

Post by Gooserider

Post by p***@quentincrisp.com
Well, Jay has done it again. This time there's no limp wrists or
sniggering about "Brokeback Mountain." This time, according to Mr.
Leno, we gay men all have Truman Capote voices and cry when we think
about Judy Garland.

To quote Carlos Mencia,

Carlos is a thief, a plagiarist and a minority bigot. He ridicules those he
hates and gets his panties in a bunch when someone ridicules him, or his race.

Post by Gooserider
"If you can take a dick, you can take a joke.".

There's a difference between a joke and ridicule. If you're too stupid to
figure it out, then you're too stupid, period.

Post by Gooserider
Nobody has a right to not be made fun of.

And no body has a right to be ridiculed. Everyone ridicules the GLBT
community, but only minorities are allowed to ridicule minorities.

Post by Gooserider
Suck it up, grow a thicker skin,
and quit whining.

Heed your own advice, cockface. If you and Mencia have a right to bitch, so
do we. So go fuck yourself.

[Gooserider]

Post by Paul Raposo

Post by Gooserider

Post by p***@quentincrisp.com
Well, Jay has done it again. This time there's no limp wrists or
sniggering about "Brokeback Mountain." This time, according to Mr.
Leno, we gay men all have Truman Capote voices and cry when we think
about Judy Garland.

To quote Carlos Mencia,

Carlos is a thief, a plagiarist and a minority bigot. He ridicules those he
hates and gets his panties in a bunch when someone ridicules him, or his race.

What? Mencia rags on everybody equally. Black, white, hispanic, gay,
handicapped, whatever.

Post by Paul Raposo

Post by Gooserider
"If you can take a dick, you can take a joke.".

There's a difference between a joke and ridicule. If you're too stupid to
figure it out, then you're too stupid, period.

So? You are not protected from ridicule.

Post by Paul Raposo

Post by Gooserider
Nobody has a right to not be made fun of.

And no body has a right to be ridiculed. Everyone ridicules the GLBT
community, but only minorities are allowed to ridicule minorities.

People have a RIGHT to ridicule you. Freedom of speech is protected. Your
feelings are not.

Post by Paul Raposo

Post by Gooserider
Suck it up, grow a thicker skin,
and quit whining.

Heed your own advice, cockface. If you and Mencia have a right to bitch, so
do we. So go fuck yourself.

You do not have the right to attempt to stifle someone's right to free
speech. Go fuck YOURSELF.
I'm a white male from the South. EVERYBODY makes fun of us. M

[Captain Infinity]

Post by Gooserider
Mencia rags on everybody equally. Black, white, hispanic, gay,
handicapped, whatever.

No he doesn't. The majority of his act is about "beaners" and the
mentally retarded. All other groups are distinctly in the minority.


**
Captain Infinity

[Paul Raposo]

Post by Captain Infinity

Post by Gooserider
Mencia rags on everybody equally. Black, white, hispanic, gay,
handicapped, whatever.

No he doesn't. The majority of his act is about "beaners" and the
mentally retarded. All other groups are distinctly in the minority.
**
Captain Infinity

And he's a thief who steals other comic's work.

[Paul Raposo]

Post by Gooserider

Post by Paul Raposo

Post by Gooserider

Post by p***@quentincrisp.com
Well, Jay has done it again. This time there's no limp wrists or
sniggering about "Brokeback Mountain." This time, according to Mr.
Leno, we gay men all have Truman Capote voices and cry when we think
about Judy Garland.

To quote Carlos Mencia,

Carlos is a thief, a plagiarist and a minority bigot. He ridicules those he
hates and gets his panties in a bunch when someone ridicules him, or his race.

What? Mencia rags on everybody equally. Black, white, hispanic, gay,
handicapped, whatever.

Bullshit. His mock "racism" is banal and predictable and mostly in your face to
shock and appall, not educate.

Post by Gooserider

Post by Paul Raposo

Post by Gooserider
"If you can take a dick, you can take a joke.".

There's a difference between a joke and ridicule. If you're too stupid to
figure it out, then you're too stupid, period.

So? You are not protected from ridicule.

Exactly. However, every other minority is. Everyone ridicules GLBT's, but only
minorities may ridicule their own group. When was the last time you heard a
white comic use a racial slur and when was the last time you hear one use an
anti-gay slur?

Post by Gooserider

Post by Paul Raposo

Post by Gooserider
Nobody has a right to not be made fun of.

And no body has a right to be ridiculed. Everyone ridicules the GLBT
community, but only minorities are allowed to ridicule minorities.

People have a RIGHT to ridicule you. Freedom of speech is protected. Your
feelings are not.

So, I guess that freedom of speech does not carry over to me? You are free to
ridicule me, but I'm not free to tell you to fuck off? If you have a right to
be a bigot, I have the right to point out your bigotry.

Post by Gooserider

Post by Paul Raposo

Post by Gooserider
Suck it up, grow a thicker skin,
and quit whining.

Heed your own advice, cockface. If you and Mencia have a right to bitch, so
do we. So go fuck yourself.

You do not have the right to attempt to stifle someone's right to free
speech.

And you have no right to stifle my right to tell you to drop dead.

Post by Gooserider
Go fuck YOURSELF.
I'm a white male from the South. EVERYBODY makes fun of us. M

Bullshit.

[BTR1701]

Post by Paul Raposo

Post by Gooserider

Post by Paul Raposo
And no body has a right to be ridiculed. Everyone ridicules the GLBT
community, but only minorities are allowed to ridicule minorities.

People have a RIGHT to ridicule you. Freedom of speech is protected. Your
feelings are not.

So, I guess that freedom of speech does not carry over to me? You are free
to ridicule me, but I'm not free to tell you to fuck off?

Apparently you are. Has anyone stopped you? Where do you get this idea
that you're being censored?

[Paul Raposo]

Post by BTR1701

Post by Paul Raposo

Post by Gooserider

Post by Paul Raposo
And no body has a right to be ridiculed. Everyone ridicules the GLBT
community, but only minorities are allowed to ridicule minorities.

People have a RIGHT to ridicule you. Freedom of speech is protected. Your
feelings are not.

So, I guess that freedom of speech does not carry over to me? You are free
to ridicule me, but I'm not free to tell you to fuck off?

Apparently you are.

Quite.

Post by BTR1701
Has anyone stopped you?

Nope. But then again, I haven't include any bigoted comments at the end of that
particular instruction.

Post by BTR1701
Where do you get this idea
that you're being censored?

Where do you get the idea that I'm censoring you?

[BTR1701]

Post by Paul Raposo

Post by BTR1701

Post by Paul Raposo

Post by Gooserider

Post by Paul Raposo
And no body has a right to be ridiculed. Everyone ridicules the GLBT
community, but only minorities are allowed to ridicule minorities.

People have a RIGHT to ridicule you. Freedom of speech is protected.
Your feelings are not.

So, I guess that freedom of speech does not carry over to me? You are
free to ridicule me, but I'm not free to tell you to fuck off?

Where do you get this idea
that you're being censored?

Where do you get the idea that I'm censoring you?

Unlike you, I haven't claimed to be censored.

[Paul Raposo]

Post by BTR1701

Post by Paul Raposo

Post by BTR1701

Post by Paul Raposo

Post by Gooserider

Post by Paul Raposo
And no body has a right to be ridiculed. Everyone ridicules the GLBT
community, but only minorities are allowed to ridicule minorities.

People have a RIGHT to ridicule you. Freedom of speech is protected.
Your feelings are not.

So, I guess that freedom of speech does not carry over to me? You are
free to ridicule me, but I'm not free to tell you to fuck off?

Where do you get this idea
that you're being censored?

Where do you get the idea that I'm censoring you?

Unlike you, I haven't claimed to be censored.

"People have a RIGHT to ridicule you. Freedom of speech is protected."

[trotsky]

Post by BTR1701

Post by Paul Raposo

Post by BTR1701

Post by Paul Raposo

Post by Gooserider

Post by Paul Raposo
And no body has a right to be ridiculed. Everyone ridicules the GLBT
community, but only minorities are allowed to ridicule minorities.

People have a RIGHT to ridicule you. Freedom of speech is protected.
Your feelings are not.

So, I guess that freedom of speech does not carry over to me? You are
free to ridicule me, but I'm not free to tell you to fuck off?

Where do you get this idea
that you're being censored?

Where do you get the idea that I'm censoring you?

Unlike you, I haven't claimed to be censored.

Apparently you don't understand the anonymouse concept very well.

[BTR1701]

Post by trotsky

Post by BTR1701

Post by Paul Raposo

Post by BTR1701

Post by Paul Raposo

Post by Gooserider

Post by Paul Raposo
And no body has a right to be ridiculed. Everyone ridicules the GLBT
community, but only minorities are allowed to ridicule minorities.

People have a RIGHT to ridicule you. Freedom of speech is protected.
Your feelings are not.

So, I guess that freedom of speech does not carry over to me? You are
free to ridicule me, but I'm not free to tell you to fuck off?

Where do you get this idea
that you're being censored?

Where do you get the idea that I'm censoring you?

Unlike you, I haven't claimed to be censored.

Apparently you don't understand the anonymouse concept very well.

No one but you actually understands your delusions, shithead.

[trotsky]

Post by BTR1701

Post by trotsky

Post by BTR1701

Post by Paul Raposo

Post by BTR1701

Post by Paul Raposo

Post by Gooserider

Post by Paul Raposo
And no body has a right to be ridiculed. Everyone ridicules the GLBT
community, but only minorities are allowed to ridicule minorities.

People have a RIGHT to ridicule you. Freedom of speech is protected.
Your feelings are not.

So, I guess that freedom of speech does not carry over to me? You are
free to ridicule me, but I'm not free to tell you to fuck off?

Where do you get this idea
that you're being censored?

Where do you get the idea that I'm censoring you?

Unlike you, I haven't claimed to be censored.

Apparently you don't understand the anonymouse concept very well.

No one but you actually understands your delusions, shithead.

Ya gotta love the Usenet clowns that presume to speak for everybody.
Kudos, C3PO!

[BTR1701]

Post by Paul Raposo

Post by Gooserider

Post by p***@quentincrisp.com
Well, Jay has done it again. This time there's no limp wrists or
sniggering about "Brokeback Mountain." This time, according to Mr.
Leno, we gay men all have Truman Capote voices and cry when we think
about Judy Garland.

To quote Carlos Mencia,

Carlos is a thief, a plagiarist and a minority bigot. He ridicules those he
hates and gets his panties in a bunch when someone ridicules him, or his race.

Post by Gooserider
"If you can take a dick, you can take a joke.".

There's a difference between a joke and ridicule.

Let me guess: your definition of both is the only one that counts, right?

(And I can't wait to see how many profanities you can lace into your
reply, since you seem to be constitutionally incapable of writing even
one sentence without same.)

[Paul Raposo]

Post by BTR1701

Post by Paul Raposo

Post by Gooserider

Post by p***@quentincrisp.com
Well, Jay has done it again. This time there's no limp wrists or
sniggering about "Brokeback Mountain." This time, according to Mr.
Leno, we gay men all have Truman Capote voices and cry when we think
about Judy Garland.

To quote Carlos Mencia,

Carlos is a thief, a plagiarist and a minority bigot. He ridicules those he
hates and gets his panties in a bunch when someone ridicules him, or his race.

Post by Gooserider
"If you can take a dick, you can take a joke.".

There's a difference between a joke and ridicule.

Let me guess: your definition of both is the only one that counts, right?

Nope. There is a difference between being in on the joke and being the butt of the
joke. Rodney Dangerfield knew how to do a great "gay" joke. Sam Kinison did
nothing but denigrate and ridicule us.

Post by BTR1701
(And I can't wait to see how many profanities you can lace into your
reply, since you seem to be constitutionally incapable of writing even
one sentence without same.)

Sometimes you have to get people's attention and powerful words can do just that.
It's odd that you have no trouble with anti-gay words, but have a problem with cus
words.

[BTR1701]

Post by BTR1701

Post by Paul Raposo

Post by Gooserider

Post by p***@quentincrisp.com
Well, Jay has done it again. This time there's no limp wrists or
sniggering about "Brokeback Mountain." This time, according to Mr.
Leno, we gay men all have Truman Capote voices and cry when we think
about Judy Garland.

To quote Carlos Mencia,

Carlos is a thief, a plagiarist and a minority bigot. He ridicules those
he hates and gets his panties in a bunch when someone ridicules him, or his
race.

Post by Gooserider
"If you can take a dick, you can take a joke.".

There's a difference between a joke and ridicule.

Let me guess: your definition of both is the only one that counts, right?

Nope. There is a difference between being in on the joke and being the butt
of the joke. Rodney Dangerfield knew how to do a great "gay" joke.

In your opinion. Your personal aesthetic tastes are not the objective
benchmark by which all humor is judged.

Post by BTR1701
(And I can't wait to see how many profanities you can lace into your
reply, since you seem to be constitutionally incapable of writing even
one sentence without same.)

Sometimes you have to get people's attention and powerful words can do just that.

Not when you overload every post with them. Then it just becomes sad.

It's odd that you have no trouble with anti-gay words, but have a problem
with cus words.

Where did I say I had a problem with any words of any type? I just get a
chuckle out of lackbrains like you who think calling people names and
peppering everything they write with vulgarities makes them seem somehow
"more than".

[Paul Raposo]

Post by BTR1701

Post by BTR1701

Post by Paul Raposo

Post by Gooserider

Post by p***@quentincrisp.com
Well, Jay has done it again. This time there's no limp wrists or
sniggering about "Brokeback Mountain." This time, according to Mr.
Leno, we gay men all have Truman Capote voices and cry when we think
about Judy Garland.

To quote Carlos Mencia,

Carlos is a thief, a plagiarist and a minority bigot. He ridicules those
he hates and gets his panties in a bunch when someone ridicules him, or his
race.

Post by Gooserider
"If you can take a dick, you can take a joke.".

There's a difference between a joke and ridicule.

Let me guess: your definition of both is the only one that counts, right?

Nope. There is a difference between being in on the joke and being the butt
of the joke. Rodney Dangerfield knew how to do a great "gay" joke.

In your opinion.

That stands to reason.

Post by BTR1701
Your personal aesthetic tastes

Mine and the particular taste of every other individual who is not a bigot.

Post by BTR1701
are not the objective
benchmark by which all humor is judged.

And yours is?

Post by BTR1701

Post by BTR1701
(And I can't wait to see how many profanities you can lace into your
reply, since you seem to be constitutionally incapable of writing even
one sentence without same.)

Sometimes you have to get people's attention and powerful words can do just that.

Not when you overload every post with them. Then it just becomes sad.

Your personal aesthetic tastes are not the objective benchmark by which all language
is judged.

Post by BTR1701

It's odd that you have no trouble with anti-gay words, but have a problem
with cus words.

Where did I say I had a problem with any words of any type?

Since you got your hackles up because of the words I wrote, yet didn't chastise any
other poster on their use of cus words, or anti-gay slurs for that matter, clearly
you have a problem.

Post by BTR1701
I just get a
chuckle out of lackbrains like you who think calling people names and
peppering everything they write with vulgarities makes them seem somehow
"more than".

Where did I claim this? Is that just another of your subjective conclusions, based
on your own distaste of any minority denouncing bigoted language?

[BTR1701]

Post by Paul Raposo

Post by BTR1701

Post by BTR1701

Post by Paul Raposo

Post by Gooserider

Post by p***@quentincrisp.com
Well, Jay has done it again. This time there's no limp wrists or
sniggering about "Brokeback Mountain." This time, according to
Mr. Leno, we gay men all have Truman Capote voices and cry when we
think about Judy Garland.

To quote Carlos Mencia,

Carlos is a thief, a plagiarist and a minority bigot. He ridicules
those he hates and gets his panties in a bunch when someone ridicules him,
or his race.

Post by Gooserider
"If you can take a dick, you can take a joke.".

There's a difference between a joke and ridicule.

Let me guess: your definition of both is the only one that counts, right?

Nope. There is a difference between being in on the joke and being the
butt of the joke. Rodney Dangerfield knew how to do a great "gay" joke.

In your opinion.

That stands to reason.

Post by BTR1701
Your personal aesthetic tastes

Mine and the particular taste of every other individual who is not a bigot.

So once again, you're defining it all for the rest of us, however
indirectly. What's so pathetic is that I really believe you truly don't
understand that.

Above you admitted your statement was mere opinion, not objective fact.
Then in your very next sentence, you claim that only bigots can believe
otherwise.

Schizophrenic much?

Post by Paul Raposo

Post by BTR1701
are not the objective
benchmark by which all humor is judged.

And yours is?

Nope. Never said it was, chief.

Post by Paul Raposo

Post by BTR1701

Post by BTR1701
(And I can't wait to see how many profanities you can lace into your
reply, since you seem to be constitutionally incapable of writing even
one sentence without same.)

Sometimes you have to get people's attention and
powerful words can do just that.

Not when you overload every post with them. Then it just becomes sad.

Your personal aesthetic tastes are not the objective benchmark by which all
language is judged.

Well, since you apparently need it spelled out for you, we're not
talking about aesthetics here so your lame attempt at turnabout is
wholly irrelevant. It's factual that overloading prose with any type of
language meant to shock reduces the shock value and effectiveness of
that language, not increases it. Law of diminishing returns and all
that...

It's much more shocking to hear or read the word "fuck" from a guy who
almost never says it, than it is from a guy who uses it every third
word. Just like it's much more shocking when a quiet guy who never
raises his voice suddenly shouts at you, as oppose to a loudmouth
jerk-off who never shuts up-- you know, the type, you see him in the
mirror every day.

Hell, even kindergartners can grasp this concept. Quelle surprise that
it seems to have escaped you.

Post by Paul Raposo

Post by BTR1701

It's odd that you have no trouble with anti-gay words, but have a problem
with cus words.

Where did I say I had a problem with any words of any type?

Since you got your hackles up because of the words I wrote,

Exactly how did you determine my "hackles" were up? What exactly are my
"hackles", anyway? Define your assumptions so I can continue to shoot
them down one by one.

Post by Paul Raposo
yet didn't chastise any other poster on their use of
cus words, or anti-gay slurs for that matter,
clearly you have a problem.

Perhaps instead of looking for external reasons, you should consider the
possibility that it's only because of all the people posting in this
thread, you're the only one who's an idiot.

Or not. You're choice.

Post by Paul Raposo

Post by BTR1701
I just get a
chuckle out of lackbrains like you who think calling people names and
peppering everything they write with vulgarities makes them seem somehow
"more than".

Where did I claim this?

"Sometimes you have to get people's attention and powerful words can do
just that."

[Paul Raposo]

Post by BTR1701

Post by Paul Raposo

Post by BTR1701

Post by BTR1701

Post by Paul Raposo

Post by Gooserider

Post by p***@quentincrisp.com
Well, Jay has done it again. This time there's no limp wrists or
sniggering about "Brokeback Mountain." This time, according to
Mr. Leno, we gay men all have Truman Capote voices and cry when we
think about Judy Garland.

To quote Carlos Mencia,

Carlos is a thief, a plagiarist and a minority bigot. He ridicules
those he hates and gets his panties in a bunch when someone ridicules him,
or his race.

Post by Gooserider
"If you can take a dick, you can take a joke.".

There's a difference between a joke and ridicule.

Let me guess: your definition of both is the only one that counts, right?

Nope. There is a difference between being in on the joke and being the
butt of the joke. Rodney Dangerfield knew how to do a great "gay" joke.

In your opinion.

That stands to reason.

Post by BTR1701
Your personal aesthetic tastes

Mine and the particular taste of every other individual who is not a bigot.

So once again, you're defining it all for the rest of us, however
indirectly.

Nope. I'm stating my tastes and pointing put that not everyone agrees with you.

Post by BTR1701
What's so pathetic is that I really believe you truly don't
understand that.

I truly believe you truly believe that I don't understand it. I think that's a tad more
pathetic.

Post by BTR1701
Above you admitted your statement was mere opinion, not objective fact.

Where did I write that? Or is that another asinine interpretation on your part?

Post by BTR1701
Then in your very next sentence, you claim that only bigots can believe
otherwise.

Again, where did I write that? You feel you and your ilk are bigots? I'm glad you've
come to that conclusion, but please explain.

Post by BTR1701
Schizophrenic much?

Delusional much?

Post by BTR1701

Post by Paul Raposo

Post by BTR1701
are not the objective
benchmark by which all humor is judged.

And yours is?

Nope. Never said it was, chief.

But it was implied. By stating that my tastes are not the standard for all, you've
implied that yours are.

Post by BTR1701

Post by Paul Raposo

Post by BTR1701

Post by BTR1701
(And I can't wait to see how many profanities you can lace into your
reply, since you seem to be constitutionally incapable of writing even
one sentence without same.)

Sometimes you have to get people's attention and
powerful words can do just that.

Not when you overload every post with them. Then it just becomes sad.

Your personal aesthetic tastes are not the objective benchmark by which all
language is judged.

Well, since you apparently need it spelled out for you, we're not
talking about aesthetics here so your lame attempt at turnabout is
wholly irrelevant.

Since you're the poster who brought up the topic of aesthetics--personal or
otherwise--that is a moot point, numbnuts.

Post by BTR1701
It's factual that overloading prose with any type of
language meant to shock reduces the shock value and effectiveness of
that language, not increases it.

And you can prove this? Perhaps you should contact any number of writers who use foul
language in their prose. Contact HBO and let them know about this in order to tone down
the content on The Sopranos, Curb Your Enthusiasm and Huff. Maybe Martin Scorsese can
edit his films, with more appropriate language.

Post by BTR1701
Law of diminishing returns and all
that...

I'm sure you've had many experiences with the law.

Post by BTR1701
It's much more shocking to hear or read the word "fuck" from a guy who
almost never says it, than it is from a guy who uses it every third
word.

Every third word? Really? Could you show me a count that proves this? And since you
don't know me, how can you be sure cus words are part of my everyday language? Those
words have done their job, if you are shocked and appalled, which you clearly are.

Post by BTR1701
Just like it's much more shocking when a quiet guy who never
raises his voice suddenly shouts at you, as oppose to a loudmouth
jerk-off who never shuts up-- you know, the type, you see him in the
mirror every day.

And I'm answering his reply right now.

Post by BTR1701
Hell, even kindergartners can grasp this concept.

How would you know? Still there are you?

Post by BTR1701
Quelle surprise that
it seems to have escaped you.

Moronic statements that contribute nothing to the topic at hand usually do, sunshine.

Post by BTR1701

Post by Paul Raposo

Post by BTR1701

It's odd that you have no trouble with anti-gay words, but have a problem
with cus words.

Where did I say I had a problem with any words of any type?

Since you got your hackles up because of the words I wrote,

Exactly how did you determine my "hackles" were up?

By your whiny complaint about my replies.

Post by BTR1701
What exactly are my
"hackles", anyway?

Don't worry, you don't have them in any case. It's a figure of speech.

Post by BTR1701
Define your assumptions so I can continue to shoot
them down one by one.

Like Dick Cheney hunting, you're shooting and not hitting what you should be.

Post by BTR1701

Post by Paul Raposo
yet didn't chastise any other poster on their use of
cus words, or anti-gay slurs for that matter,
clearly you have a problem.

Perhaps instead of looking for external reasons, you should consider the
possibility that it's only because of all the people posting in this
thread, you're the only one who's an idiot.

Wow. That was almost a coherent reply. The fact remains, you bitched about my
language, while defending a person's right to use anti-gay language. Clearly you
believe only certain people--those who agree with you--should be permitted free use of
whatever words they want.

Post by BTR1701
Or not. You're choice.

I doubt anyone is permitted choice--or dissent for that matter--in your world

Post by BTR1701

Post by Paul Raposo

Post by BTR1701
I just get a
chuckle out of lackbrains like you who think calling people names and
peppering everything they write with vulgarities makes them seem somehow
"more than".

Where did I claim this?

"Sometimes you have to get people's attention and powerful words can do
just that."

And again, jackass, where did I write that I consider myself, as you put it, "more
than"?

[BTR1701]

In article <***@yahoo.ca>,
Paul Raposo <***@yahoo.ca> wrote:

<yawn...>

[Captain Infinity]

Post by p***@quentincrisp.com
Well, Jay has done it again. This time there's no limp wrists or
sniggering about "Brokeback Mountain." This time, according to Mr.
Leno, we gay men all have Truman Capote voices and cry when we think
about Judy Garland.
To add salt to the wound,

Suck it up and grow a sense of humor, Liberace.


**
Captain Infinity

[Ubiquitous]

Post by p***@quentincrisp.com
Well, Jay has done it again. This time there's no limp wrists or
sniggering about "Brokeback Mountain." This time, according to Mr.
Leno, we gay men all have Truman Capote voices and cry when we think
about Judy Garland.

Ohh, THIS again?

[BTR1701]

Post by p***@quentincrisp.com
Well, Jay has done it again. This time there's no limp wrists or
sniggering about "Brokeback Mountain." This time, according to Mr.
Leno, we gay men all have Truman Capote voices and cry when we think
about Judy Garland.
To add salt to the wound, the man continues to play the sensitivity
card. In the past two months he's apologized to a friend of Dick
Cheney's shooting victim, and to the great-grandson of a doctor who
treated John Wilkes Booth.
"It's not unusual for Leno to make such calls," an NBC spokeswoman
maintains.
And then he goes on TV and lisps his way through another San Francisco
joke.
Let The Tonight Show and Jay Leno know these attacks are unacceptable.
Please, if just twenty or thirty of us write in it could make a
Thanks!
------------
I'm astonished by the continued assault on gays by Jay Leno. On
Tuesday he stated that if gay history were taught in high school,
students would learn that the Great Depression was when Judy Garland
died.

That's pretty funny. Lighten up and learn not to take yourself so
seriously.

Post by p***@quentincrisp.com
As a gay man, I am fed up with these attacks. Mr. Leno obviously knows
it's wrong, as he would NEVER denigrate blacks, Hispanics, Jews, or
Christians in this manner.

Actually, he does make jokes about all those groups and more.

[S***@aol.com]

Post by p***@quentincrisp.com
Well, Jay has done it again. This time there's no limp wrists or
sniggering about "Brokeback Mountain." This time, according to Mr.
Leno, we gay men all have Truman Capote voices and cry when we think
about Judy Garland.
To add salt to the wound, the man continues to play the sensitivity
card. In the past two months he's apologized to a friend of Dick
Cheney's shooting victim, and to the great-grandson of a doctor who
treated John Wilkes Booth.
"It's not unusual for Leno to make such calls," an NBC spokeswoman
maintains.
And then he goes on TV and lisps his way through another San Francisco
joke.
Let The Tonight Show and Jay Leno know these attacks are unacceptable.
Please, if just twenty or thirty of us write in it could make a
Thanks!
------------
I'm astonished by the continued assault on gays by Jay Leno. On
Tuesday he stated that if gay history were taught in high school,
students would learn that the Great Depression was when Judy Garland
died.
And then last night Kiefer Sutherland demonstrated different speech
patterns he uses on "24." When he spoke in a high, soft voice, Mr.
Leno announced, "That's GAY Jack!"
As a gay man, I am fed up with these attacks. Mr. Leno obviously knows
it's wrong, as he would NEVER denigrate blacks, Hispanics, Jews, or
Christians in this manner. Why does he consider gays open territory,
and when will NBC decide to stop him? It's the height of hypocrisy to
send out press releases describing his warmth and generosity while he's
attacking homosexuals twice a week.
Please let Mr. Leno know that his attacks are vicious and harmful, and
that some of his viewers are astonished that he'd repeatedly use his
homophobia as a basis for humor.

I love reading some of these posts. But tell me, are some people this
bored?

[Captain Infinity]

Post by S***@aol.com
I love reading some of these posts. But tell me, are some people this
bored?

It doesn't take much to entertain *me*, I can tell you that.


**
Captain Infinity

[Arizona John]

How can anyone make fun of a rump ranger?

[jeremyfive]

Pussy-lickers tickle me. But the posts from pussy-lickers can be
difficult to follow.

(Doesn't cover all breeders you say? Heterosexual women don't lick
pussy you say?
Heterosexual women don't matter to "old-boy-network" breeders, because
"bitches are bitches" as we well know. So, "pussy-lickers" pretty much
covers the breeders as a group.)

So dumb pussy-lickers, stick to what you do best, and don't try to make
words on your keyboard--it only results in idiotic posts.

I only define breeders by their sexuality.

Of course, I'd never attend one of their sham "marriages", because I
don't believe in intermingling of the sexes. If God had meant for us
to lick pussy, he would have put our tongues down there where the
private parts are.

And I don't believe that gay people should have to support the
offspring of pussy-lickers with their tax dollars. And of course, we
should not be supporting their sham "marriages" with our tax dollars.

If girlfriend wants a big payoff from her sham "marriage", she can just
refuse to sign the pre-nup. Gay taxpayers shouldn't have to pony up
for her trips to Club Med.

J

[Rich]

Post by p***@quentincrisp.com
Well, Jay has done it again. This time there's no limp wrists or
sniggering about "Brokeback Mountain." This time, according to Mr.
Leno, we gay men all have Truman Capote voices and cry when we think
about Judy Garland.

Is the high-pitched voice that some gays have physiologically-based,
or is it affected?
-Rich

[jeremyfive]

You mean like Dubya's?

That's a pansy, high-pitched voice if I ever heard one. And she's got
a magnificent lisp that drag queens would envy, that girl! Sibilant
"s's" for days! And she got to be the President with that lispy, high
pitched squeel, girlfriend!

I've never heard such a good strong sissy lisp before.

She's just "a Texas girl like me".

J

[a***@hotmail.com]

Ah shut up ya lisping brokeback homo!

[jeremyfive]

Jesus, pussy-eaters are crude!

J

[Pook]

Post by p***@quentincrisp.com
Well, Jay has done it again. This time there's no limp wrists or
sniggering about "Brokeback Mountain." This time, according to Mr.
Leno, we gay men all have Truman Capote voices and cry when we think
about Judy Garland.
To add salt to the wound, the man continues to play the sensitivity
card. In the past two months he's apologized to a friend of Dick
Cheney's shooting victim, and to the great-grandson of a doctor who
treated John Wilkes Booth.
"It's not unusual for Leno to make such calls," an NBC spokeswoman
maintains.
And then he goes on TV and lisps his way through another San Francisco
joke.
Let The Tonight Show and Jay Leno know these attacks are unacceptable.
Please, if just twenty or thirty of us write in it could make a
Thanks!

Jay is not homophobic. Even gay people occassionally make jokes about
the stereotypes. I remember Nathan Lane saying

"Look, I'm 40, I'm single, and I work in the musical theater -
you do the math. What do you need, flashcards?".

Is he homophobic?

I recall when Anne Heche was promoting Volcano, right at the time her
relationship with Ellen just came out...Jay said that she was good for
Ellen.