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Letterman just spent 5 minutes walking outside to pick up trash
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Bailey Legull
2006-06-22 18:56:00 UTC
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Leno & Leno: Compare & Contrast.
You're insane.

Mr. Leno's monologue jokes are funny, but they're straight from
Reader's Digest. The point of view is so middle-class it's like
watching the entertainer on a cruise ship.

Leno's filmed bits are often good -- when it's not a frat boy playing
with a camera. Ross the Intern is terrific. I really enjoyed
"Jaywalking" until one contestant let slip that they were faking their
stupidity. Not quite so good once you know that.

As far as banter with the bandleader, on Leno there *isn't* any. In
the average show, Mr. Eubanks will say "yeah" a few times and laugh.
Frankly, it's embarrassing, and without any rapport the relationship
looks phony. Turning Mr. Eubanks into a token rather than a person.

Mr. Leno's interviews are similarly embarrassing. Catch Kate
Beckinsale recently? He forced the woman to talk about breastfeeding
-- titties are his life, doncha know -- even though her daughter is
SEVEN. He actually pretended to *hit* on some female, and frankly it
was repulsive. (He's charmless, and he's been married twenty years.)
His interviews with lesbians -- Rosie, Ellen -- are interesting because
for a change he doesn't focus on sex.

Mr. Leno is a mealy-mouthed host, pretending he attracts flies with
honey. He doesn't. He bores flies into a coma. Mr. Letterman, on the
other hand, is in a whole different class. He'll call an idiot an
idiot, like when he went after Lynne Cheney like a hardened gay
activist. Jon Stewart is the role model here, and Mr. Letterman is off
with flying colors.

Mr. Leno is a talented host with a teenager's intellect who plays it
safe, scared to death of offending Grandma and Grandpa in Kansas. Mr.
Letterman is a smart adult who loves to gamble and doesn't care what
anybody thinks.

I can appreciate them both, and I can laugh at them both, but only one
deserves my respect.
karl
2006-06-22 19:00:45 UTC
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Post by Bailey Legull
Leno & Leno: Compare & Contrast.
You're insane.
Your opinion is noted.
Ronnie
2006-06-22 20:08:53 UTC
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Post by Bailey Legull
I really enjoyed
"Jaywalking" until one contestant let slip that they were faking their
stupidity. Not quite so good once you know that.
Even if people weren't faking stupidity, I hate that bit because 1)
it's a stacked deck -- you know that they're asking 50 people those
questions, and only plucking out the five morons who get them wrong
and 2) seeing a meathead like Leno pose as "scoffing intellectual
superior" just leaves a bad taste in my mouth. What does *he* really
know and care about, besides cars and motorcycles? Feed the
Jaywalking patsies some questions to ask Jay about history or
literature...let's see how dumb *he* looks.
Post by Bailey Legull
Turning Mr. Eubanks into a token rather than a person.
I don't know how Eubanks can even look at himself in the morning. Is
it any wonder that Branford Marsalis left?

With Carson and McMahon, you could feel the affection between them,
even when Carson was ribbing him. But Eubanks is just Leno's
neutered little pet to prod and ridicule. What's more, his attempts
to "laugh" at Leno's jokes couldn't possibly come off phonier.
Post by Bailey Legull
Jon Stewart is the role model here
Jon Stewart is Letterman's role model?? I think your chronology is a
bit screwy.
Bailey Legull
2006-06-22 20:21:37 UTC
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Post by Ronnie
I don't know how Eubanks can even look at himself in the morning. Is
it any wonder that Branford Marsalis left?
. . . Eubanks is just Leno's
neutered little pet to prod and ridicule. What's more, his attempts
to "laugh" at Leno's jokes couldn't possibly come off phonier.
Absolutely. Unbelievable that somebody here admires Leno and Eubanks'
"banter." Every Monday there's this exchange during "Headlines":

JAY: Kevin, what do I hate?
KEVIN: Stupid criminals?
JAY: No. What else?
KEVIN: Cats wearing clothes?
JAY: That's right.

This isn't banter: it's a trained seal act. And that'll be their
exchange for the week.

Branford Marsalis had intellect and personality. Jay didn't look good
in comparison.
Post by Ronnie
Jon Stewart is Letterman's role model?? I think your chronology is a
bit screwy.
Something made it safe for Dave to turn political in the last six
months. I'm crediting the Daily Show. Any talk show worth its salt
has to move beyond the "Bush is so stupid" jokes to the "Bush needs to
be impeached" jokes.
Ronnie
2006-06-22 20:32:13 UTC
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Post by Bailey Legull
JAY: Kevin, what do I hate?
KEVIN: Stupid criminals?
JAY: No. What else?
KEVIN: Cats wearing clothes?
JAY: That's right.
This isn't banter: it's a trained seal act.
Yup. Seen that at least a dozen times, and I don't even watch Leno
regularly. (Though, technically, I think he hates "pets" wearing
clothes rather than "cats.")
Post by Bailey Legull
Branford Marsalis had intellect and personality. Jay didn't look good
in comparison.
Oh yes. I always snickered when watching exchanges between Jay and
Marsalis. Because they had no chemistry at all, and whenever Jay
made one of his idiotic jokes, you could always sense Marsalis
thinking "Yeah, whatever...you dumb schmuck" beneath his
passive-aggressive chuckle.

Speaking of the Marsalis era, I just hope there's SOMEWHERE on the
Web which has immortalized a clip of the hilariously lame "plucking
a bass" move which Leno tried when he first took over the show. Do
others remember this, or has Leno managed to wipe our cultural
memory clean? Instead of "swinging a golf club" during the opening
like Carson did, Jay did this AWFUL stiff-legged kick and air-guitar
move, like he was some funky brutha plucking a bass. It was the most
awkward, jive thing EVER. For all I know, it later inspired the
"Elaine can't dance" episode of "Seinfeld."
Donz5
2006-06-22 20:34:04 UTC
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Post by Bailey Legull
Post by Ronnie
Jon Stewart is Letterman's role model?? I think your chronology is a
bit screwy.
Something made it safe for Dave to turn political in the last six
months. I'm crediting the Daily Show. Any talk show worth its salt
has to move beyond the "Bush is so stupid" jokes to the "Bush needs to
be impeached" jokes.
I don't agree with you on this one -- Dave was then credited as the
only media person (be it journalist or talk-show host) who challenged
Bush with serious questions when Bush guested on the LS as a candidate
in 2000.
Marilyn
2006-06-22 20:51:24 UTC
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Post by Donz5
Post by Bailey Legull
Something made it safe for Dave to turn political in the last six
months. I'm crediting the Daily Show. Any talk show worth its salt
has to move beyond the "Bush is so stupid" jokes to the "Bush needs to
be impeached" jokes.
I don't agree with you on this one -- Dave was then credited as the
only media person (be it journalist or talk-show host) who challenged
Bush with serious questions when Bush guested on the LS as a candidate
in 2000.
No question that Dave could always give a good political interview. But I do
agree with him on the jokes.
Brad Hill
2006-06-22 20:57:17 UTC
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[Bailey Legull]
Post by Bailey Legull
Something made it safe for Dave to turn political in the last six
months. I'm crediting the Daily Show.
Six months? Campaign 2000.

Brad
Maven
2006-06-23 01:12:32 UTC
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Post by Bailey Legull
Post by Ronnie
I don't know how Eubanks can even look at himself in the morning. Is
it any wonder that Branford Marsalis left?
. . . Eubanks is just Leno's
neutered little pet to prod and ridicule. What's more, his attempts
to "laugh" at Leno's jokes couldn't possibly come off phonier.
Absolutely. Unbelievable that somebody here admires Leno and Eubanks'
JAY: Kevin, what do I hate?
KEVIN: Stupid criminals?
JAY: No. What else?
KEVIN: Cats wearing clothes?
JAY: That's right.
This isn't banter: it's a trained seal act. And that'll be their
exchange for the week.
Branford Marsalis had intellect and personality. Jay didn't look good
in comparison.
Post by Ronnie
Jon Stewart is Letterman's role model?? I think your chronology is a
bit screwy.
Something made it safe for Dave to turn political in the last six
months. I'm crediting the Daily Show. Any talk show worth its salt
has to move beyond the "Bush is so stupid" jokes to the "Bush needs to
be impeached" jokes.
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This LA Times piece by Nikki Finke back from 2004 suggests Dave's take
goes back further than six months.

http://www.laweekly.com/index.php?option=com_lawcontent&task=view&id=9279&Itemid=

Maven

DTSmith
2006-06-22 20:33:50 UTC
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Mr. Leno is a talented host with a teenager's intellect ...
You may be giving him WAY too much credit here.
ANIM8Rfsk
2006-06-23 00:24:56 UTC
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Mr. Leno is a talented host with a teenager's intellect ...
He should give it back. He's getting it all dirty.
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