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Johnny Carson, 30-year king of late night TV, dead at 79
By Gary Levin, USA TODAY
"Heeeeere's Johnny!"
That phrase — delivered in the booming baritone of Ed McMahon, backed
by the theme song by Paul Anka — is as firmly ingrained as any in the
history of television.


Johnny Carson hosted NBC's Tonight Show for 30 years before passing
the torch to Jay Leno.
AP file

Johnny Carson didn't invent late-night TV, but he might as well have.
For it was his Tonight Show that perfected the art of wee-hours talk,
comedy and music, setting a gold standard punctuated by his genius for
effortlessly wringing a laugh out of a well-chosen grimace or
tie-straightening gesture.

Carson, 79, died Sunday morning. The cause of death was emphysema,
according to NBC.

"Mr. Carson passed away peacefully early Sunday morning," "He was
surrounded by his family, whose loss will be immeasurable. There will
be no memorial service." his nephew, Jeff Sotzing, told the Associated
Press.

In 4,350 shows over nearly 30 years, Carson's Tonight reigned supreme.
He made stand-up comics' careers with a mere gesture, a "nice stuff"
compliment that spoke volumes or an invitation to come sit and chat.
Jerry Seinfeld, Roseanne Barr, David Letterman and his successor Jay
Leno, among many others, vaulted to stardom by warming Johnny's couch.

He wrestled with exotic animals brought by the likes of Jim Fowler and
Joan Embrey. He embodied iconic characters such as the turtle-necked
and turbaned soothsayer Carnac the Magnificent, tart-tongued Aunt
Blabby, "teatime" movie host Art Fern and hayseed patriot Floyd D.
Turbo that won audience hoots each time they reappeared.

He provided a huge showcase to plug books, movies and TV shows. And he
set a style standard with his own sporty clothing line, sold in
hundreds of department stores.

And aside from cementing his own stature, he made household names out
of McMahon and his bandleader Doc Severinsen, who replaced Skitch
Henderson in 1967.

Through all of his antics, Carson was a comforting presence for
millions of insomniacs and hundreds of comics, actors and singers who
performed before his curtain. A consummate straight man, his
Midwestern reserve, dry wit and easy grin put fans at ease and proved
a marked contrast to the edgier, often aggressive late-night humor
that would follow.

Even after his May 1992 retirement — when he disappeared from the
public eye — he couldn't completely let go. Peter Lassally, who worked
with Carson for nearly 20 years, told television writers at a
conference last week that Carson he missed the monologues most. "When
he reads the paper in the morning, he can think of five jokes right
off the bat that he wishes he had an outlet for," Lassally says. "But
he does once in a while send the jokes to Letterman, and Letterman has
used Johnny's jokes in the monologue, and Johnny gets a big kick out
of that."

From magician to TV host

Born John William Carson in Corning, Iowa, in 1925, Carson's family
moved to Norfolk, Neb., where he began performing at 14 as "The Great
Carsoni," a comic magician.

After a Navy stint and four years at the University of Nebraska, he
became a local radio announcer, and dreamed of emulating his idols
Jack Benny or Fred Allen as an audio comic. He moved into the nascent
world of television at an Omaha station in 1949.

His first show: The Squirrel's Nest, a daily afternoon show with jokey
interviews. A few years later, he moved west to Hollywood. He starred
in Carson's Cellar, a low-budget local series that attracted the
attention of Groucho Marx, Fred Allen and Red Skelton. He became a
writer for Skelton's show and served as a substitute for the host when
he was injured.

After breaking into prime time with a short-lived quiz show, Earn Your
Vacation, he flamed out in 1955 with CBS' failed The Johnny Carson
Show, a comedy-variety show that depended on the 29-year-old Carson,
who had yet to develop a TV persona.

His first big break came in 1957 as host of ABC's game show Who Do You
Trust?, for which he hired McMahon as his announcer. The exposure led
him to serve as a substitute for Jack Paar, who endorsed Carson as his
permanent replacement. Forced to ride out his ABC contract, Carson
became Tonight's permanent host on October 1, 1962, six months after
Paar's retirement.

Under Carson's reign, Tonight moved from black-and-white to color,
from New York to NBC's studios in "beautiful downtown Burbank,"
Calif., in 1972, and in 1980, from 90 minutes to one hour. Two years
later, his production company launched Late Night With David Letterman
in the NBC time slot that followed.


AP photo
"When he reads the paper in the morning, he can think of five jokes
right off the bat that he wishes he had an outlet for," Carson
associate Peter Lassally says of the comedian post-retirement. "But he
does once in a while send the jokes to Letterman, and Letterman has
used Johnny's jokes in the monologue, and Johnny gets a big kick out
of that."


Carson had his battles with the network, and wrestled with his own
demons, mainly alcohol. He had pay squabbles, one leading to a walkout
for several weeks in 1967. Tapes of most early episodes from New York
were recycled and destroyed by NBC, in a cost-cutting move that
enraged Carson.

When he moved to L.A., he assumed ownership of the show and preserved
episodes, now sealed in an underground Kansas vault. They were
released on home video just a few years ago by his company, run by
nephew Sotzing.

Unlike Letterman and Leno, Carson was comfortable enough in his role
to welcome regular guests hosts: Joey Bishop appeared most often,
followed by Joan Rivers, who filled the role in the mid-1980s, Bob
Newhart and John Davidson.

Johnny outshone and outlasted scores of would-be challengers, from
Chevy Chase and Jon Stewart to Arsenio Hall and Pat Sajak — including
Rivers, who had a short-lived talk show on Fox, and Bishop, who had a
late-night talk show on ABC.

So many memories

There were many signature Tonight moments, some unplanned: The famous
1965 episode in which singer Ed Ames, demonstrating how to throw a
tomahawk by aiming at a wooden sherriff, struck it squarely in the
crotch, prompting Carson to adlib: "I didn't even know you were
Jewish."

In 1987, he witheringly tortured Myrtle Young — a collector of
animal-shaped potato chips — by pretending to crunch on one.

And in his biggest ratings stunt, he presided over the 1969 wedding of
that era's ukulele-playing curiosity Tiny Tim to Miss Vicki.

For many viewers, the most memorable Tonight episode was his
next-to-last broadcast on May 21, 1992. A visibly choked-up Carson was
serenaded by Bette Midler, astride his desk, and both fell into a
touching duet of Here's That Rainy Day.

That episode left such an indelible mark — and many a tear — that
Carson reportedly wanted to end the show there. But he returned the
next night for a finale, showcasing highlights and thanking viewers,
with these words:

"And so it has come to this. I am one of the lucky people in the
world. I found something that I always wanted to do and I have enjoyed
every single minute of it."

"You people watching, I can only tell you that it's been an honor and
a privilege coming into your homes all these years to entertain you.
And I hope when I find something I want to do and think you would
like, I can come back and (you will be) as gracious in inviting me
into your homes as you have been."

"I bid you a very heartfelt good night."

And that was that.

A private life

Seven weeks after he retired, at age 66, Carson signed a lucrative
deal with NBC to develop and star in unspecified new shows for the
network. The pact was heralded by then-programming chief Warren
Littlefield as "a very, very important announcement for all of NBC."

But it came to naught: Instead, Carson promptly vanished from sight.
Always an intensely private man, he retreated to his Malibu estate,
played tennis each day, traveled, bought himself a yacht and spurned
all pitches to resume work.

He accepted a Kennedy Center honor a year later and made occasional
cameo appearances, and — egged on by pal Steve Martin — wrote a
handful of short humor pieces for The New Yorker a few years back. But
he granted only two major interviews since quitting his show, to the
Washington Post in 1993 and Esquire in 2002.

"I think I left at the right time," he told Esquire. "You've got to
know when to get off the stage, and the timing was right for me. The
reason I really don't go back or do interviews is because I just let
the work speak for itself."

Carson married four times and divorced three, making frequent
references to his marital troubles in nightly monologues. (He's
survived by his fourth wife Alexis.)

But he was intensely secretive about other aspects of his life. One of
his three sons, Ricky, a nature photographer, tragically died in a
1991 car accident while working.

Carson had health problems — a heart attack and quadruple-bypass
surgery in 1999, emphysema revealed a few years later — but kept the
news even from close friends.

He even passed on Tonight's 50th anniversary special, explaining in
his stoic, Midwestern way that he such appearances felt needlessly
self-congratulatory.

His biggest (though perhaps unwarranted) worry, expressed to the Post
in 1993, was that his return would bomb in the ratings and sully his
legacy.

"You say, 'What am I doing this for? For my ego? For the money?' I
don't need that anymore. I have an ego like anybody else, but it
doesn't need to be stoked by going before the public all the time."
Rob Petrie
2005-01-24 01:44:21 UTC
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Johnny Carson, 30-year king of late night TV, dead at 79
By Gary Levin, USA TODAY
"Heeeeere's Johnny!"
That phrase — delivered in the booming baritone of Ed McMahon, backed
by the theme song by Paul Anka — is as firmly ingrained as any in the
history of television.
Johnny Carson hosted NBC's Tonight Show for 30 years before passing
the torch to Jay Leno.
AP file
Johnny Carson didn't invent late-night TV, but he might as well have.
For it was his Tonight Show that perfected the art of wee-hours talk,
comedy and music, setting a gold standard punctuated by his genius for
effortlessly wringing a laugh out of a well-chosen grimace or
tie-straightening gesture.
Carson, 79, died Sunday morning. The cause of death was emphysema,
according to NBC.
"Mr. Carson passed away peacefully early Sunday morning," "He was
surrounded by his family, whose loss will be immeasurable. There will
be no memorial service." his nephew, Jeff Sotzing, told the Associated
Press.
In 4,350 shows over nearly 30 years, Carson's Tonight reigned supreme.
He made stand-up comics' careers with a mere gesture, a "nice stuff"
compliment that spoke volumes or an invitation to come sit and chat.
Jerry Seinfeld, Roseanne Barr, David Letterman and his successor Jay
Leno, among many others, vaulted to stardom by warming Johnny's couch.
He wrestled with exotic animals brought by the likes of Jim Fowler and
Joan Embrey. He embodied iconic characters such as the turtle-necked
and turbaned soothsayer Carnac the Magnificent, tart-tongued Aunt
Blabby, "teatime" movie host Art Fern and hayseed patriot Floyd D.
Turbo that won audience hoots each time they reappeared.
He provided a huge showcase to plug books, movies and TV shows. And he
set a style standard with his own sporty clothing line, sold in
hundreds of department stores.
And aside from cementing his own stature, he made household names out
of McMahon and his bandleader Doc Severinsen, who replaced Skitch
Henderson in 1967.
Through all of his antics, Carson was a comforting presence for
millions of insomniacs and hundreds of comics, actors and singers who
performed before his curtain. A consummate straight man, his
Midwestern reserve, dry wit and easy grin put fans at ease and proved
a marked contrast to the edgier, often aggressive late-night humor
that would follow.
Even after his May 1992 retirement — when he disappeared from the
public eye — he couldn't completely let go. Peter Lassally, who worked
with Carson for nearly 20 years, told television writers at a
conference last week that Carson he missed the monologues most. "When
he reads the paper in the morning, he can think of five jokes right
off the bat that he wishes he had an outlet for," Lassally says. "But
he does once in a while send the jokes to Letterman, and Letterman has
used Johnny's jokes in the monologue, and Johnny gets a big kick out
of that."
From magician to TV host
Born John William Carson in Corning, Iowa, in 1925, Carson's family
moved to Norfolk, Neb., where he began performing at 14 as "The Great
Carsoni," a comic magician.
After a Navy stint and four years at the University of Nebraska, he
became a local radio announcer, and dreamed of emulating his idols
Jack Benny or Fred Allen as an audio comic. He moved into the nascent
world of television at an Omaha station in 1949.
His first show: The Squirrel's Nest, a daily afternoon show with jokey
interviews. A few years later, he moved west to Hollywood. He starred
in Carson's Cellar, a low-budget local series that attracted the
attention of Groucho Marx, Fred Allen and Red Skelton. He became a
writer for Skelton's show and served as a substitute for the host when
he was injured.
After breaking into prime time with a short-lived quiz show, Earn Your
Vacation, he flamed out in 1955 with CBS' failed The Johnny Carson
Show, a comedy-variety show that depended on the 29-year-old Carson,
who had yet to develop a TV persona.
His first big break came in 1957 as host of ABC's game show Who Do You
Trust?, for which he hired McMahon as his announcer. The exposure led
him to serve as a substitute for Jack Paar, who endorsed Carson as his
permanent replacement. Forced to ride out his ABC contract, Carson
became Tonight's permanent host on October 1, 1962, six months after
Paar's retirement.
Under Carson's reign, Tonight moved from black-and-white to color,
from New York to NBC's studios in "beautiful downtown Burbank,"
Calif., in 1972, and in 1980, from 90 minutes to one hour. Two years
later, his production company launched Late Night With David Letterman
in the NBC time slot that followed.
AP photo
"When he reads the paper in the morning, he can think of five jokes
right off the bat that he wishes he had an outlet for," Carson
associate Peter Lassally says of the comedian post-retirement. "But he
does once in a while send the jokes to Letterman, and Letterman has
used Johnny's jokes in the monologue, and Johnny gets a big kick out
of that."
Carson had his battles with the network, and wrestled with his own
demons, mainly alcohol. He had pay squabbles, one leading to a walkout
for several weeks in 1967. Tapes of most early episodes from New York
were recycled and destroyed by NBC, in a cost-cutting move that
enraged Carson.
When he moved to L.A., he assumed ownership of the show and preserved
episodes, now sealed in an underground Kansas vault. They were
released on home video just a few years ago by his company, run by
nephew Sotzing.
Unlike Letterman and Leno, Carson was comfortable enough in his role
to welcome regular guests hosts: Joey Bishop appeared most often,
followed by Joan Rivers, who filled the role in the mid-1980s, Bob
Newhart and John Davidson.
Johnny outshone and outlasted scores of would-be challengers, from
Chevy Chase and Jon Stewart to Arsenio Hall and Pat Sajak — including
Rivers, who had a short-lived talk show on Fox, and Bishop, who had a
late-night talk show on ABC.
So many memories
There were many signature Tonight moments, some unplanned: The famous
1965 episode in which singer Ed Ames, demonstrating how to throw a
tomahawk by aiming at a wooden sherriff, struck it squarely in the
crotch, prompting Carson to adlib: "I didn't even know you were
Jewish."
In 1987, he witheringly tortured Myrtle Young — a collector of
animal-shaped potato chips — by pretending to crunch on one.
And in his biggest ratings stunt, he presided over the 1969 wedding of
that era's ukulele-playing curiosity Tiny Tim to Miss Vicki.
For many viewers, the most memorable Tonight episode was his
next-to-last broadcast on May 21, 1992. A visibly choked-up Carson was
serenaded by Bette Midler, astride his desk, and both fell into a
touching duet of Here's That Rainy Day.
That episode left such an indelible mark — and many a tear — that
Carson reportedly wanted to end the show there. But he returned the
next night for a finale, showcasing highlights and thanking viewers,
"And so it has come to this. I am one of the lucky people in the
world. I found something that I always wanted to do and I have enjoyed
every single minute of it."
"You people watching, I can only tell you that it's been an honor and
a privilege coming into your homes all these years to entertain you.
And I hope when I find something I want to do and think you would
like, I can come back and (you will be) as gracious in inviting me
into your homes as you have been."
"I bid you a very heartfelt good night."
And that was that.
A private life
Seven weeks after he retired, at age 66, Carson signed a lucrative
deal with NBC to develop and star in unspecified new shows for the
network. The pact was heralded by then-programming chief Warren
Littlefield as "a very, very important announcement for all of NBC."
But it came to naught: Instead, Carson promptly vanished from sight.
Always an intensely private man, he retreated to his Malibu estate,
played tennis each day, traveled, bought himself a yacht and spurned
all pitches to resume work.
He accepted a Kennedy Center honor a year later and made occasional
cameo appearances, and — egged on by pal Steve Martin — wrote a
handful of short humor pieces for The New Yorker a few years back. But
he granted only two major interviews since quitting his show, to the
Washington Post in 1993 and Esquire in 2002.
"I think I left at the right time," he told Esquire. "You've got to
know when to get off the stage, and the timing was right for me. The
reason I really don't go back or do interviews is because I just let
the work speak for itself."
Carson married four times and divorced three, making frequent
references to his marital troubles in nightly monologues. (He's
survived by his fourth wife Alexis.)
But he was intensely secretive about other aspects of his life. One of
his three sons, Ricky, a nature photographer, tragically died in a
1991 car accident while working.
Carson had health problems — a heart attack and quadruple-bypass
surgery in 1999, emphysema revealed a few years later — but kept the
news even from close friends.
He even passed on Tonight's 50th anniversary special, explaining in
his stoic, Midwestern way that he such appearances felt needlessly
self-congratulatory.
His biggest (though perhaps unwarranted) worry, expressed to the Post
in 1993, was that his return would bomb in the ratings and sully his
legacy.
"You say, 'What am I doing this for? For my ego? For the money?' I
don't need that anymore. I have an ego like anybody else, but it
doesn't need to be stoked by going before the public all the time."
J.D. Baldwin
2005-01-24 03:58:19 UTC
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Post by p***@nbc.com
Carson had his battles with the network, and wrestled with his own
demons, mainly alcohol. He had pay squabbles, one leading to a
walkout for several weeks in 1967. Tapes of most early episodes from
New York were recycled and destroyed by NBC, in a cost-cutting move
that enraged Carson.
Enraged Carson and every other right-thinking person on the planet.
Is it too late to track down the executive responsible and kick him in
the nuts, hard? I suppose he's probably dead.
Post by p***@nbc.com
Carson married four times and divorced three, making frequent
references to his marital troubles in nightly monologues. (He's
survived by his fourth wife Alexis.)
For all the fun Carson poked at himself, none these was exactly a
cliché Hollywood two-years-and-bail marriage. He was married for the
first time at 23 to the woman who bore all three of his kids, and to
whom he stayed married for fourteen years. His next two marriages
lasted nine and thirteen years, and he never divorced his last wife,
to whom he was married over seventeen years. Of course, that last
wife was the first one whose name wasn't a variant of "Joan," which
might have had something to do with it. That won't get him on the
cover of Marital Fidelity Quarterly, but it's not Britney Spears
territory, either.
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2005-01-24 04:21:58 UTC
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Post by p***@nbc.com
Carson had his battles with the network, and wrestled with his own
demons, mainly alcohol. He had pay squabbles, one leading to a
walkout for several weeks in 1967. Tapes of most early episodes from
New York were recycled and destroyed by NBC, in a cost-cutting move
that enraged Carson.
Enraged Carson and every other right-thinking person on the planet.
Is it too late to track down the executive responsible and kick him in
the nuts, hard? I suppose he's probably dead.
Its like that moron Turner with his stupid colorization.
Post by J.D. Baldwin
Post by p***@nbc.com
Carson married four times and divorced three, making frequent
references to his marital troubles in nightly monologues. (He's
survived by his fourth wife Alexis.)
For all the fun Carson poked at himself, none these was exactly a
cliché Hollywood two-years-and-bail marriage. He was married for the
first time at 23 to the woman who bore all three of his kids, and to
whom he stayed married for fourteen years. His next two marriages
lasted nine and thirteen years, and he never divorced his last wife,
to whom he was married over seventeen years. Of course, that last
wife was the first one whose name wasn't a variant of "Joan," which
might have had something to do with it. That won't get him on the
cover of Marital Fidelity Quarterly, but it's not Britney Spears
territory, either.
Hardly.

Susan
James Neibaur
2005-01-24 05:34:56 UTC
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Post by Susan Cohen
Its like that moron Turner with his stupid colorization.
I agree, but at least TCM shows the classics in their original black and
white. After colorization failed, the black and white films remained.

The Tonight Shows were taped over and lost forever, robbing us of important
television history.

JN
Rob Petrie
2005-01-24 06:45:22 UTC
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Post by Susan Cohen
Its like that moron Turner with his stupid colorization.
I agree, but at least TCM shows the classics in their original black and
white. After colorization failed, the black and white films remained.
The Tonight Shows were taped over and lost forever, robbing us of important
television history.
Just the first few years in the early to mid-60s, until an angry Johnny
himself took ownership of his shows from NBC and preserved them in vaults,
same as Jackie Gleason did with "The Honeymooners."
Poetic Tragedy - filmmaker70546
2005-01-25 00:14:24 UTC
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Fuck Johnny Carson! The God Damn Hebrew son of a bitch!
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Post by J.D. Baldwin
Post by p***@nbc.com
Carson had his battles with the network, and wrestled with his own
demons, mainly alcohol. He had pay squabbles, one leading to a
walkout for several weeks in 1967. Tapes of most early episodes from
New York were recycled and destroyed by NBC, in a cost-cutting move
that enraged Carson.
Enraged Carson and every other right-thinking person on the planet.
Is it too late to track down the executive responsible and kick him in
the nuts, hard? I suppose he's probably dead.
Its like that moron Turner with his stupid colorization.
Post by J.D. Baldwin
Post by p***@nbc.com
Carson married four times and divorced three, making frequent
references to his marital troubles in nightly monologues. (He's
survived by his fourth wife Alexis.)
For all the fun Carson poked at himself, none these was exactly a
cliché Hollywood two-years-and-bail marriage. He was married for the
first time at 23 to the woman who bore all three of his kids, and to
whom he stayed married for fourteen years. His next two marriages
lasted nine and thirteen years, and he never divorced his last wife,
to whom he was married over seventeen years. Of course, that last
wife was the first one whose name wasn't a variant of "Joan," which
might have had something to do with it. That won't get him on the
cover of Marital Fidelity Quarterly, but it's not Britney Spears
territory, either.
Hardly.

Susan
Susan Cohen
2005-01-25 01:49:04 UTC
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Post by Poetic Tragedy - filmmaker70546
Fuck Johnny Carson! The God Damn Hebrew son of a bitch!
Fuck you. Fuck you very much.

Susan
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Post by J.D. Baldwin
Post by p***@nbc.com
Carson had his battles with the network, and wrestled with his own
demons, mainly alcohol. He had pay squabbles, one leading to a
walkout for several weeks in 1967. Tapes of most early episodes
from
Post by J.D. Baldwin
Post by p***@nbc.com
New York were recycled and destroyed by NBC, in a cost-cutting move
that enraged Carson.
Enraged Carson and every other right-thinking person on the planet.
Is it too late to track down the executive responsible and kick him
in
Post by J.D. Baldwin
the nuts, hard? I suppose he's probably dead.
Its like that moron Turner with his stupid colorization.
Post by J.D. Baldwin
Post by p***@nbc.com
Carson married four times and divorced three, making frequent
references to his marital troubles in nightly monologues. (He's
survived by his fourth wife Alexis.)
For all the fun Carson poked at himself, none these was exactly a
cliché Hollywood two-years-and-bail marriage. He was married for
the
Post by J.D. Baldwin
first time at 23 to the woman who bore all three of his kids, and to
whom he stayed married for fourteen years. His next two marriages
lasted nine and thirteen years, and he never divorced his last wife,
to whom he was married over seventeen years. Of course, that last
wife was the first one whose name wasn't a variant of "Joan," which
might have had something to do with it. That won't get him on the
cover of Marital Fidelity Quarterly, but it's not Britney Spears
territory, either.
Hardly.
Susan
Poetic Tragedy - filmmaker70546
2005-01-25 05:04:09 UTC
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Thank ya bitch!
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Post by Poetic Tragedy - filmmaker70546
Fuck Johnny Carson! The God Damn Hebrew son of a bitch!
Fuck you. Fuck you very much.

Susan
Post by Poetic Tragedy - filmmaker70546
--
http://www.jokerstears.com
http://www.dacruestudios.com
Post by J.D. Baldwin
Post by p***@nbc.com
Carson had his battles with the network, and wrestled with his own
demons, mainly alcohol. He had pay squabbles, one leading to a
walkout for several weeks in 1967. Tapes of most early episodes
from
Post by J.D. Baldwin
Post by p***@nbc.com
New York were recycled and destroyed by NBC, in a cost-cutting move
that enraged Carson.
Enraged Carson and every other right-thinking person on the planet.
Is it too late to track down the executive responsible and kick him
in
Post by J.D. Baldwin
the nuts, hard? I suppose he's probably dead.
Its like that moron Turner with his stupid colorization.
Post by J.D. Baldwin
Post by p***@nbc.com
Carson married four times and divorced three, making frequent
references to his marital troubles in nightly monologues. (He's
survived by his fourth wife Alexis.)
For all the fun Carson poked at himself, none these was exactly a
cliché Hollywood two-years-and-bail marriage. He was married for
the
Post by J.D. Baldwin
first time at 23 to the woman who bore all three of his kids, and to
whom he stayed married for fourteen years. His next two marriages
lasted nine and thirteen years, and he never divorced his last wife,
to whom he was married over seventeen years. Of course, that last
wife was the first one whose name wasn't a variant of "Joan," which
might have had something to do with it. That won't get him on the
cover of Marital Fidelity Quarterly, but it's not Britney Spears
territory, either.
Hardly.
Susan
King Daevid MacKenzie
2005-01-25 05:28:31 UTC
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Post by Susan Cohen
Post by Poetic Tragedy - filmmaker70546
Fuck Johnny Carson! The God Damn Hebrew son of a bitch!
Fuck you. Fuck you very much.
...but, for God's sake, NOT with MY penis...
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hallucination?" LEWIS BLACK
Susan Cohen
2005-01-25 01:48:12 UTC
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There never was a "replacement" for Johnny. Letterman is an outright
creep.

Yes, that's true.
Leno is a rubber-faced loudmouth --who never bothers to mention the
legend...whose shoes he cannot begin to fill. Notice that Johnny was
sos
comfortable in his job that he let virtually anyone and everyone
"guest host"
for him. Leno and Letterman are paranoid about letting anyone ever
guest host.

There's always someone better around the corner.
Unfortunately, that someone isn't *you*.

Susan
Rob Petrie
2005-01-26 10:48:24 UTC
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x-no-archive: yes
Post by Susan Cohen
There never was a "replacement" for Johnny. Letterman is an outright
creep.
Yes, that's true.
Leno is a rubber-faced loudmouth --who never bothers to mention the
legend...whose shoes he cannot begin to fill. Notice that Johnny was
sos
comfortable in his job that he let virtually anyone and everyone
"guest host"
for him. Leno and Letterman are paranoid about letting anyone ever
guest host.
There's always someone better around the corner.
Not in Johnny's case!
Post by Susan Cohen
Unfortunately, that someone isn't *you*.
newsgroups.comcast.net
2005-01-24 14:46:50 UTC
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Johnny Carson.He will be in our hearts forever. May he rest in peace.
Post by p***@nbc.com
Johnny Carson, 30-year king of late night TV, dead at 79
By Gary Levin, USA TODAY
"Heeeeere's Johnny!"
That phrase - delivered in the booming baritone of Ed McMahon, backed
by the theme song by Paul Anka - is as firmly ingrained as any in the
history of television.
Johnny Carson hosted NBC's Tonight Show for 30 years before passing
the torch to Jay Leno.
AP file
Johnny Carson didn't invent late-night TV, but he might as well have.
For it was his Tonight Show that perfected the art of wee-hours talk,
comedy and music, setting a gold standard punctuated by his genius for
effortlessly wringing a laugh out of a well-chosen grimace or
tie-straightening gesture.
Carson, 79, died Sunday morning. The cause of death was emphysema,
according to NBC.
"Mr. Carson passed away peacefully early Sunday morning," "He was
surrounded by his family, whose loss will be immeasurable. There will
be no memorial service." his nephew, Jeff Sotzing, told the Associated
Press.
In 4,350 shows over nearly 30 years, Carson's Tonight reigned supreme.
He made stand-up comics' careers with a mere gesture, a "nice stuff"
compliment that spoke volumes or an invitation to come sit and chat.
Jerry Seinfeld, Roseanne Barr, David Letterman and his successor Jay
Leno, among many others, vaulted to stardom by warming Johnny's couch.
He wrestled with exotic animals brought by the likes of Jim Fowler and
Joan Embrey. He embodied iconic characters such as the turtle-necked
and turbaned soothsayer Carnac the Magnificent, tart-tongued Aunt
Blabby, "teatime" movie host Art Fern and hayseed patriot Floyd D.
Turbo that won audience hoots each time they reappeared.
He provided a huge showcase to plug books, movies and TV shows. And he
set a style standard with his own sporty clothing line, sold in
hundreds of department stores.
And aside from cementing his own stature, he made household names out
of McMahon and his bandleader Doc Severinsen, who replaced Skitch
Henderson in 1967.
Through all of his antics, Carson was a comforting presence for
millions of insomniacs and hundreds of comics, actors and singers who
performed before his curtain. A consummate straight man, his
Midwestern reserve, dry wit and easy grin put fans at ease and proved
a marked contrast to the edgier, often aggressive late-night humor
that would follow.
Even after his May 1992 retirement - when he disappeared from the
public eye - he couldn't completely let go. Peter Lassally, who worked
with Carson for nearly 20 years, told television writers at a
conference last week that Carson he missed the monologues most. "When
he reads the paper in the morning, he can think of five jokes right
off the bat that he wishes he had an outlet for," Lassally says. "But
he does once in a while send the jokes to Letterman, and Letterman has
used Johnny's jokes in the monologue, and Johnny gets a big kick out
of that."
From magician to TV host
Born John William Carson in Corning, Iowa, in 1925, Carson's family
moved to Norfolk, Neb., where he began performing at 14 as "The Great
Carsoni," a comic magician.
After a Navy stint and four years at the University of Nebraska, he
became a local radio announcer, and dreamed of emulating his idols
Jack Benny or Fred Allen as an audio comic. He moved into the nascent
world of television at an Omaha station in 1949.
His first show: The Squirrel's Nest, a daily afternoon show with jokey
interviews. A few years later, he moved west to Hollywood. He starred
in Carson's Cellar, a low-budget local series that attracted the
attention of Groucho Marx, Fred Allen and Red Skelton. He became a
writer for Skelton's show and served as a substitute for the host when
he was injured.
After breaking into prime time with a short-lived quiz show, Earn Your
Vacation, he flamed out in 1955 with CBS' failed The Johnny Carson
Show, a comedy-variety show that depended on the 29-year-old Carson,
who had yet to develop a TV persona.
His first big break came in 1957 as host of ABC's game show Who Do You
Trust?, for which he hired McMahon as his announcer. The exposure led
him to serve as a substitute for Jack Paar, who endorsed Carson as his
permanent replacement. Forced to ride out his ABC contract, Carson
became Tonight's permanent host on October 1, 1962, six months after
Paar's retirement.
Under Carson's reign, Tonight moved from black-and-white to color,
from New York to NBC's studios in "beautiful downtown Burbank,"
Calif., in 1972, and in 1980, from 90 minutes to one hour. Two years
later, his production company launched Late Night With David Letterman
in the NBC time slot that followed.
AP photo
"When he reads the paper in the morning, he can think of five jokes
right off the bat that he wishes he had an outlet for," Carson
associate Peter Lassally says of the comedian post-retirement. "But he
does once in a while send the jokes to Letterman, and Letterman has
used Johnny's jokes in the monologue, and Johnny gets a big kick out
of that."
Carson had his battles with the network, and wrestled with his own
demons, mainly alcohol. He had pay squabbles, one leading to a walkout
for several weeks in 1967. Tapes of most early episodes from New York
were recycled and destroyed by NBC, in a cost-cutting move that
enraged Carson.
When he moved to L.A., he assumed ownership of the show and preserved
episodes, now sealed in an underground Kansas vault. They were
released on home video just a few years ago by his company, run by
nephew Sotzing.
Unlike Letterman and Leno, Carson was comfortable enough in his role
to welcome regular guests hosts: Joey Bishop appeared most often,
followed by Joan Rivers, who filled the role in the mid-1980s, Bob
Newhart and John Davidson.
Johnny outshone and outlasted scores of would-be challengers, from
Chevy Chase and Jon Stewart to Arsenio Hall and Pat Sajak - including
Rivers, who had a short-lived talk show on Fox, and Bishop, who had a
late-night talk show on ABC.
So many memories
There were many signature Tonight moments, some unplanned: The famous
1965 episode in which singer Ed Ames, demonstrating how to throw a
tomahawk by aiming at a wooden sherriff, struck it squarely in the
crotch, prompting Carson to adlib: "I didn't even know you were
Jewish."
In 1987, he witheringly tortured Myrtle Young - a collector of
animal-shaped potato chips - by pretending to crunch on one.
And in his biggest ratings stunt, he presided over the 1969 wedding of
that era's ukulele-playing curiosity Tiny Tim to Miss Vicki.
For many viewers, the most memorable Tonight episode was his
next-to-last broadcast on May 21, 1992. A visibly choked-up Carson was
serenaded by Bette Midler, astride his desk, and both fell into a
touching duet of Here's That Rainy Day.
That episode left such an indelible mark - and many a tear - that
Carson reportedly wanted to end the show there. But he returned the
next night for a finale, showcasing highlights and thanking viewers,
"And so it has come to this. I am one of the lucky people in the
world. I found something that I always wanted to do and I have enjoyed
every single minute of it."
"You people watching, I can only tell you that it's been an honor and
a privilege coming into your homes all these years to entertain you.
And I hope when I find something I want to do and think you would
like, I can come back and (you will be) as gracious in inviting me
into your homes as you have been."
"I bid you a very heartfelt good night."
And that was that.
A private life
Seven weeks after he retired, at age 66, Carson signed a lucrative
deal with NBC to develop and star in unspecified new shows for the
network. The pact was heralded by then-programming chief Warren
Littlefield as "a very, very important announcement for all of NBC."
But it came to naught: Instead, Carson promptly vanished from sight.
Always an intensely private man, he retreated to his Malibu estate,
played tennis each day, traveled, bought himself a yacht and spurned
all pitches to resume work.
He accepted a Kennedy Center honor a year later and made occasional
cameo appearances, and - egged on by pal Steve Martin - wrote a
handful of short humor pieces for The New Yorker a few years back. But
he granted only two major interviews since quitting his show, to the
Washington Post in 1993 and Esquire in 2002.
"I think I left at the right time," he told Esquire. "You've got to
know when to get off the stage, and the timing was right for me. The
reason I really don't go back or do interviews is because I just let
the work speak for itself."
Carson married four times and divorced three, making frequent
references to his marital troubles in nightly monologues. (He's
survived by his fourth wife Alexis.)
But he was intensely secretive about other aspects of his life. One of
his three sons, Ricky, a nature photographer, tragically died in a
1991 car accident while working.
Carson had health problems - a heart attack and quadruple-bypass
surgery in 1999, emphysema revealed a few years later - but kept the
news even from close friends.
He even passed on Tonight's 50th anniversary special, explaining in
his stoic, Midwestern way that he such appearances felt needlessly
self-congratulatory.
His biggest (though perhaps unwarranted) worry, expressed to the Post
in 1993, was that his return would bomb in the ratings and sully his
legacy.
"You say, 'What am I doing this for? For my ego? For the money?' I
don't need that anymore. I have an ego like anybody else, but it
doesn't need to be stoked by going before the public all the time."
Susan Cohen
2005-01-25 06:02:23 UTC
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Post by newsgroups.comcast.net
Johnny Carson.He will be in our hearts forever. May he rest in peace.
I understand he'll be cremated. so He'll still be SMOKIN'!

Susan
L***@NBC.tv
2005-01-25 06:12:34 UTC
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Post by Susan Cohen
Post by newsgroups.comcast.net
Johnny Carson.He will be in our hearts forever. May he rest in peace.
I understand he'll be cremated. so He'll still be SMOKIN'!
Susan
Before Susan chopped her pecker off, she used to be Bush's boyfriend
in college but someone had to be the woman and George said it hurt too
much to try.
L***@NBC.tv
2005-01-25 05:34:18 UTC
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Carson had more class in his pinky than Leno had in his entire chin.
Never forget that on Leno's first day as new host of the Tonight Show,
Leno never acknowledged Carson... now he is too happy to bury him and
pretend he is the Godfather of the Tonight Show. Pathetic the way
Leno always has to top and put down his guests without listening to
them at all except to repeat what they say and mock them. Carson was a
true gentleman and that's why people loved him. It'll be nice to get
Conan to replace that piece of shit Leno.
mariposas morgan mair fheal greykitten tomys des anges
2005-01-25 05:44:23 UTC
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In article <VJWdnRXXlLfHR2jcRVn-***@giganews.com>, ***@NBC.tv wrote:

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p***@gmail.com
2005-01-25 05:57:50 UTC
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I agree that Johnny Carson had much more talent than Jay *could* ever
have, However in Jay's defense, I have to say he is far superior to
"Conan the Librarian" I mean he is such a "milktoast" That I can't
stand to even channelsurf his show. I mean when I do accidently get his
show when I am channelsurffing. I am like a dear caught in the
headlights of an oncoming train. The man is an eyesore and will never
garner the right to sit in Johnny's chair. He is an idiot a complete
nincompoop. He is not even as good as Leno Whom I have an equal amount
of contempt for.

In closing let me add that NBC *should* look for another host for the
tonight show by allowing a different comedian to host the show each
month until a competent replacement can be found.
Thankyou,
J.K.L.
Post by L***@NBC.tv
Carson had more class in his pinky than Leno had in his entire chin.
Never forget that on Leno's first day as new host of the Tonight Show,
Leno never acknowledged Carson... now he is too happy to bury him and
pretend he is the Godfather of the Tonight Show. Pathetic the way
Leno always has to top and put down his guests without listening to
them at all except to repeat what they say and mock them. Carson was a
true gentleman and that's why people loved him. It'll be nice to get
Conan to replace that piece of shit Leno.
L***@NBC.tv
2005-01-25 06:08:41 UTC
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Conan has more talent than ego, unlike Leno, so he works in wild,
crazy people who do taboo stuff on religion, politics, etc.
Meanwhile, Leno's nose is deep in Republican Arnold's ass in hopes of
being his VP.
Post by p***@gmail.com
I agree that Johnny Carson had much more talent than Jay *could* ever
have, However in Jay's defense, I have to say he is far superior to
"Conan the Librarian" I mean he is such a "milktoast" That I can't
stand to even channelsurf his show. I mean when I do accidently get his
show when I am channelsurffing. I am like a dear caught in the
headlights of an oncoming train. The man is an eyesore and will never
garner the right to sit in Johnny's chair. He is an idiot a complete
nincompoop. He is not even as good as Leno Whom I have an equal amount
of contempt for.
In closing let me add that NBC *should* look for another host for the
tonight show by allowing a different comedian to host the show each
month until a competent replacement can be found.
Thankyou,
J.K.L.
Post by L***@NBC.tv
Carson had more class in his pinky than Leno had in his entire chin.
Never forget that on Leno's first day as new host of the Tonight
Show,
Post by L***@NBC.tv
Leno never acknowledged Carson... now he is too happy to bury him and
pretend he is the Godfather of the Tonight Show. Pathetic the way
Leno always has to top and put down his guests without listening to
them at all except to repeat what they say and mock them. Carson was
a
Post by L***@NBC.tv
true gentleman and that's why people loved him. It'll be nice to
get
Post by L***@NBC.tv
Conan to replace that piece of shit Leno.
W***@nospam.nul
2007-10-13 12:26:47 UTC
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"If Al Gore wins the Noble Peace Prize he may enter the race for
President. This leave Bill Clinton with a dilemma, does he support
Gore who was under him for 8 years or does he support Hillary who was
under him once?" Jay Leno

RIPiglican penis puffer Jay Leno's only dilemma: when he meets three
Republicans in a restroom stall, where does he put the other penis?



Top Iraq Commanding General:
"Incompetent" Bush would be "courtmartialed."

Oct. 13, 2007, 1:01AM
Retired Gen. Sanchez savages Iraq policy
He calls U.S. leaders inept, mission flawed


By ERIC ROSENBERG
Copyright 2007 Hearst News Service


WASHINGTON — Retired Army Lt. Gen. Ricardo Sanchez, the former top
military commander in Iraq, on Friday delivered a blistering critique
of U.S. involvement in the Iraq conflict, calling American political
leaders "incompetent."

Addressing an audience of journalists who cover the military, Sanchez
said the armed force's mission to invade Iraq and overthrow Saddam
Hussein was flawed from the start.

National leaders, said Sanchez, "have unquestionably been derelict in
the performance of their duty. In my profession, these types of
leaders would immediately be relieved or court-martialed."

On the U.S. occupation amid continuing sectarian strife in Iraq,
Sanchez said: "There is no question that America is living a nightmare
with no end in sight."

Sanchez — the most senior retired U.S. commander in Iraq to criticize
the Bush administration — called the White House's post-invasion plans
"unrealistically optimistic" and "catastrophically flawed."

Sanchez, who retired in 2006 after being replaced in Iraq after the
Abu Ghraib prisoner abuse scandal, is vulnerable to criticism that he
is shifting the blame from himself to the administration.

Though he was cleared of wrongdoing in the abuses after an inquiry by
the Army's inspector general, Sanchez became a symbol — with civilian
officials including L. Paul Bremer, the head of the Coalition
Provisional Authority — of ineffective American leadership early in
the occupation.


Calls liberation a myth
Among U.S. leaders, including military officers, there was "an
absolute lack of moral courage to stand up and do what was right in
terms of planning" the occupation phase that followed the invasion,
said Sanchez, in a speech before the journalists' group, Military
Reporters and Editors.

The Rio Grande City native said American leaders allowed themselves
"to believe that we, in fact, would be liberators."

As a result, Sanchez said, U.S. forces are bogged down in a nearly
5-year-old sectarian conflict that shows few signs of abating.

"There has been a glaring, unfortunate display of incompetent
strategic leadership within our national leaders," he said.

White House officials would not comment directly on Sanchez's remarks.
"We appreciate his service to the country," said Kate Starr, a White
House National Security Council spokeswoman.

She noted that Gen. David Petraeus, the current top commander in Iraq,
and Ryan Crocker, the American ambassador to Baghdad, said in their
testimony to Congress last month that "there's more work to be done,
but progress is being made in Iraq. And that's what we're focused on
now."


His command criticized
Sanchez has been criticized by some current and retired officers for
failing to recognize the growing insurgency in Iraq during his year in
command and for failing to put together a plan to unify the disparate
military effort, a task that was finally carried out when his
successor, Gen. George Casey, took over.

The administration's so-called surge strategy of increasing forces
into Baghdad to quell violence "is a desperate attempt" to salvage the
U.S. occupation, Sanchez said. The best the U.S. can accomplish with
it is to "stave off defeat."

Sanchez served one year as the senior U.S. commander in Iraq beginning
in June 2003. He departed the post in the wake of the Abu Ghraib
prisoner-abuse scandal, which occurred during his command.

He has since said that the resulting furor over Abu Ghraib forced him
to retire last November after 33 years in the Army.

Sanchez refused to single out any particular individual for his harsh
assessment, but instead criticized the "neglect and incompetence at
the (White House) National Security Council level" for failures in
Iraq. Sanchez said the State Department in particular "must shoulder
responsibility for this catastrophic failure."

While he did not criticize any official by name on Friday, he promised
he will do so later.

One of the main criticisms of the war in Iraq and the lengthy American
occupation is that the Bush administration failed to take steps that
could have mitigated the insurgency that followed the March 2003
invasion.

Asked why he didn't speak out when he was commander of American forces
there, Sanchez said that active duty generals should not stand against
the political leadership for fear of undermining the core
Constitutional principle of civilian rule.


Grim assessment

The U.S. occupation in Iraq costs U.S. taxpayers approximately $2
billion each week and thus far has resulted in the deaths of at 3,821
U.S. service members.

The congressional Government Accountability Office and the
administration's own Director of National Intelligence issued grim
reports earlier this year about the lack of a functioning Iraqi
government, inability of warring ethnic factions to reconcile their
differences and unreliable security forces.

Sanchez said that the "key to victory in Iraq" is increased U.S.
emphasis on improving Iraq's ailing economy and political
institutions, something the administration asserts that it is doing
now.

He also called for greater cooperation between Republicans and
Democrats on Capitol Hill to devise a "grand strategy" for Iraq.

"Without bipartisan cooperation we are doomed to fail. There is
nothing going on today in Washington that would give us hope," Sanchez
said.

The New York Times contributed to this report.
http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/front/5210980.html

Clave
2005-01-25 06:16:23 UTC
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Post by p***@gmail.com
I agree that Johnny Carson had much more talent than Jay *could* ever
have...
I didn't know before today that on the night Leno took over for Carson, he
didn't mention Johnny's name once, clearly ushering in the completely classless
era of post-Carson late-night entertainment.

Hello cable.

Jim
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